One of the new features in PL4 is the Workspace Category Filtering ability … as activated via these new controls located on the top of the RHS tools palette.
To be completely honest, I was initially underwhelmed by this new feature - - but, with a bit of thought, I found a way to have it work very effectively with my customised workspace layout.
As a quick recap: the way this essentially works “out of the box” is;
- Choose one of the provided workspace layouts; DxO Standard or DxO Advanced - via the Workspace menu item.
- Click on one of the “category” buttons to limit the list to a sub-set of corrections - such as; Light, Color, Geometry, etc
The problem I found with this (and the reason I didn’t like it at all, at first) is that, with each different button press, tools “jump” all over the place … and nothing is in a defined place.
For my way of working, this just caused confusion (then again - I guess others may be fine with it !?)
I eventually found, tho, that this works really well with a customised workspace that includes only a basic list of the tools one uses most often - all positioned on the RHS palette. Then, the Category Filtering buttons can be used to provide quick access to lesser-used tools - - and the Favorites button can be used to group even-lesser-used tools in a less-cluttered way. Here’s a summary of my set-up:
Create a custom Workspace containing only your most basic, essential tools (eg. Horizon & Perspective, Smart Lighting, Exp. Comp, Contrast, etc, etc … whatever you nearly always use) … This is what will be displayed when NONE of the Category Filtering buttons are active.
Click on each of the different Category Filtering buttons to check that you can happily use these for access to your lesser-used tools … and click on the “Star”/Favorites button for any that you might like to group together = to make them easy to find.
Using your new set-up;
Use Ctrl+Tab to quickly switch between PhotoLibrary and Customise modes
With NONE of the Category Filtering buttons active, you will have access to your most-often-used tools = your custom workspace.
Click on, say, the Color category-filter button to gain access to the HSL tool … etc
Click on the “Star”/Favorites button (with all category-filter buttons de-activated) to access your group of even-lesser-used tools … which, in my case, include Blur, Creative Vignetting, Style Toning, etc. (all of which are also accessible via the fx button, but in a long list of “other stuff”).
HtH - - John M
Good work investigating this John. Not obvious. I’ll experiment with this later today as the absence of a single linear set of palettes bothered me a lot. My workaround is to revert to an old Photolab 3 workspace which shows my old set of Essential tools.
I was also puzzled by the (new) Workspace Category Filtering. So one of the first moves I’ve done yesterday after installation of PL4 was to have my own customized palette/workspace, as I had in PL3. This works fine for me as I was used to having a certain workflow. The Category Filtering comes at the right time when I want to use a less common function.
Note that the fx symbol reminds me of the integral calculation learned a hundred years ago in school
I’ve been trying this out tonight and I’m still at underwhelmed.
All I see is six hardcoded palettes behind buttons and a search field that can search in one or all of them, which is of debatable use for the two palettes that contain a single tool each. All tools aren’t distributed amongst these six, so if I want to search for Exif Editor (which I have literally never used) then I won’t find it.
If the buttons/palettes were configurable (like Capture One’s tool tabs) then it would be a start, but then why not just allow search over the configurable palettes we already have? It feels out of place to tack this on beside the existing palettes, and for me search by name is no better than search by position: if I can’t remember where I’ve put a tool then I probably can’t remember its name either.
As it is, I’d rather have the space now occupied by the new search field and buttons-cum-palettes for my existing palettes.
Yes - that was precisely my original reaction/concern !
However, now that we have what we have, I figured I’d make it work for me as best as I could - hence the result outlined above. If you have strong feelings about the new UI design, the best approach is to propose improvements/changes … 'cos I know that DxO do “listen” to this forum.
PL4, with its many options for organizing palettes and for filtering images, has me reconsidering how I use the software. I see these filtering options as largely benefitting new users but also expanding what’s possible for experienced users like me. So here’s what I’ve been playing with today:
(a) I have my workspace configured with metadata and global light-related palettes on the left, other palettes on the right, in custom sets. Very little of the original organization has been kept in my custom workspace. There is a certain logical order to all this which I’m used to. And while I wait for certain abilities to be added or refined, I keep most of my palettes expanded and only a few that I hardly ever use compressed/closed.
(b) I’ve marked a few tools that I adjust a lot (or think I will adjust a lot) as favorites. These are situated at opposite ends of the palette stack on the right side of my custom workspace. After making initial geometric adjustments, I select the Favorites filter and adjust Color Rendering and Instant Watermark to my liking. By far, these require the most trial-and-error in my present workflow. Then I deselect the Favorites filter and move on to the adjustments on the left and the color refinements on the right. If I don’t want to go hunting for something, I select the palette filter that I think includes it. Sure, the tools are organized a bit differently here than in my custom workspace - but it’s another way to get at them.
I suppose yet another strategy I could consider is to create multiple custom workspaces and switch among them as I work. Not what I prefer, but it’s great that PhotoLab will let me do this.
Of course, no complaints about your solution at all. My thoughts were entirely directed at the functionality itself, which just seems too unfinished to be branded as a major new feature.
If the new palettes were configurable then it’s pretty much Capture One’s tool tabs, which I find very usable. I find DxO’s existing palettes equally usable, so I’m happy with either. But now they’ve tacked on these new searchable palettes instead of integrating the search with the existing palettes, which is an odd choice IMO.
We are eager to see how you customize the Customize tab so feel free to paste here your screenshots to make things even more obvious for everybody!
For my part, I now use the tabs that look a bit like lightroom’s solo mode:
it’s very fast, the tools are well grouped and very efficient!
suddenly I drop my personalized pallets
The Solo mode in PhotoLab is planned for some 4.x version.
The standard layout is MUCH too cluttered for my liking - especially as the position of tools on the palette “jumps” around so erratically for each different category selection, which I find too confusing.
I’ve found that a simplified layout, as explained above, is much more effective …
So out of the top of my head.
- my made order of appearence in my custom palettes are based on usage level and combined use. Aka contrast (advanged) and selective tone are one tool for me and are seated next to each other. In selective button mode they are separated. Irritating.
Local adjustment tool list is seated right on the top so when i use localadjustement i open the tool to see the list and commands and close it when i am done.
The buttons should work as " hide everything except" and shift the tools to a tid row.
Not pop up a new screen/workspace.
- That everything is opened is ok. Then i can keep things closed in my custom workspace to compres toolspace. When i want HSL i just tab color. And can start right away.
- favorite would be a powerfull tool if it keeps my order of appearence to quick hide and show other tools i not need al the time in my customworkspace and it can do the same for the selective tabs.
I have more idea’s about improvements but that needs some visual support and i am out the door right now.
Alex: When this is introduced; please make it an optional Preferences setting.
I don’t really see the point of the buttons at all. Who is going to select a button containing at most 7 tools and then go to the search field to find one of them? If I’m going to select a button then it’s going to be faster to just select the tool under it directly, and if I’m going to search then I would rather search all tools so that I can access something I rarely use (eg. Exif Editor) without needing it in one of my existing palettes.
If there must be buttons then I at least want to be able to control their number and content so that I can organize them in a way that’s sensible for me. The search is at least something new, but the buttons are just another way to organize tools. Some will prefer the existing palettes, some will prefer the new buttons, and some will find ways to make use of both, which is probably a necessity as long as not all tools are behind buttons.
Personally, I’d prefer to be able to configure the buttons away entirely and just have the search be over all tools, and for there to be a keyboard shortcut that takes me directly to the search field, so I don’t first have to mouse to the search field before I can start typing. I’m still not sold on the search though. Switching back and forth between keyboard and mouse is not that efficient, and there’s no escaping that there’s much in this kind of application that can’t be controlled entirely from the keyboard. (And even if it could, the number of shortcuts would be too many to remember.)
I think the categories and search make PL much more approachable for new users. They were frequently confused by the standard palettes and the seemingly duplication of tools.
I think I will continue to use my custom palettes and slowly see how the categories and favorites could be useful for lesser used tools.
That’s exactly how I’ve approached this new feature, Christian … as detailed above
It will be an optional mode: you are free to use it not. Probably, it will be accessible from the palettes’ context menu only. It’s still being discussed.
Give a chance to CTRL + F when the Customize tab is open
Thanks, but not documented in the manual (that I can see) and does nothing on Mac I’m afraid. (PL 184.108.40.206 on Mojave 10.14.6.)
Still, even if it’s coming, this alone won’t win me over.
I am sure that this new organisation of the working space is well suited for new comers in Photolab, because this is the organisation we find in most softs. As a user of DxO soft for long (since Optics Pro 8), I do not like very much this new organisation especially for one reason: even if we keep the tools selected by Dxo for each tab, we cannot re-order them in a tab and/or remove those we never use. To get that, we have to go back to the former working space of Photolab 3, that is possible with no tab selected. OK if we can use the stars to make a selection in a tab (we cannot re-order) but in my point of view, this is a wrong solution: we have stars every where…
To be honest I am not very happy with this update. Regarding development of photographies, we have DeepPrime as new comer but when you compare the result with Prime, I really wonder what is the added value. A “Pipette” has also been added in the HSL tool, a feature awaited by everybody, but this pipette do not places the selected color of the image on the wheel, it only selects the range of colours of the wheel where the selected color is. I wonder what DxO team had in mind by doing that, but I am sorry: this is ridiculous. We are not color blind and if we want to change the color of a red or a green we do not need a pipette to select the right range of color on the wheel.
Regarding the development of photographies that’s it. When you see all the things DxO should add to improve its soft it seems to me very poor.
I did buy Photolab 4, but I will keep working on Photolab 3 because nothing really new on photolab 4 regarding the development of photographies and because, at the time being, I prefer the working space of Photolab 3, more simple, clear and customisable.