I think Control Point is the only local adjustment that can be stacked within the same sub mask but if not then this might also affect other masks…
When you “Add” 1 Point and “Protect” second, then invert the mask twice then you do not end up in the same place as you started - The 2 point will be “Add” as well instead of “Protect”
Seeing the same thing. MacBook Pro-Tahoe running 9.4.1.38
I’m seeing something along a similar line, with Control-points;
I create a sub-mask - say, a selection using Auto-brush
– and I make a slider adjustment - say, a tweak to WB-Temp
I next add another sub-mask, in this case using a Control-point to select a part of the selection made by the Auto-brush
– I apply “Invert shape” to the Control-point
– for the sub-parts selected by the Control-point, this cancels out the change to WB-Temp that was applied via the Auto-brush … As expected.
Then, I click on the original Control-point and I add some more Control-points to the area selected by the Auto-brush
– BUT, these areas (selected by the additional Control-points) are NOT cancelled out.
Now, if I reset the “Invert shape” status on the Control-point sub-mask (that is, with “Invert shape” switched OFF) then the opposite applies !!
– Areas selected by the additional Control-points ARE now cancelled out - - but the area selected by the original C-P is not.
Curious behaviour !!
I think this is a bug because it makes no sense how it works.
If you create a CP with one or more additional CP sub-masks and then Invert Shape it works as you would expect with all CPs working in unison.
So creating sub-CPs does not take into account the fact the original CP has been inverted.
Another strange behaviour: If you create a CP with one or more sub-CPs and then Invert Mask on the CP, only the sub-CPs seem to be active.
Additionally, if the CPs are in a separate Mask group then they appear to work properly.
Experiment and see what you come up with.
Agreed - I shall report it to DxO.
I’m a bit late to the party, but I’ll try to clarify a few things.
Correct, you can combine positive and negative Control points, Autobrushes and Brushes within the same submask.
For better illustration, I refer to them as a “pair” since they are treated as such!
When you “Add” 1 Point and “Protect” second, then invert the mask twice then you do not end up in the same place as you started - The 2 point will be “Add” as well instead of “Protect”
While holding down the < ALT > key I added a second (smaller) Control point to subtract from the first selection, indicated by the → “Invert shape” gizmo.
Clicking “Invert shape” does not deactivate the last action here,
but rather inverts both selections that are treated as a “pair”.
To check the “pairing,” disable its visibility
and it will deactivate both CPs.
Previously, we corrected a mask/selection directly.
Since DxO introduced dedicated submasks, both methods can be used for Control points, Autobrush and Brush. – But submasks are used to correct selections made with AI, Control lines, Graduated filters, Luminosity and Hue masks – and for “cross-corrections”.
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@John-M
I’m seeing something along a similar line, with Control-points;
- I create a sub-mask - say, a selection using Auto-brush
– and I make a slider adjustment - say, a tweak to WB-Temp- I next add another sub-mask, in this case using a Control-point to select a part of the selection made by the Auto-brush
– I apply “Invert shape” to the Control-point
– for the sub-parts selected by the Control-point, this cancels out the change to WB-Temp that was applied via the Auto-brush … As expected.- Then, I click on the original Control-point and I add some more Control-points to the area selected by the Auto-brush
– BUT, these areas (selected by the additional Control-points) are NOT cancelled out.
Your observation is almost correct…
At first glance, the two smaller (positive) control points appear to incorrectly enlarge the originally selected area (Autobrush). – But they belong to the “Control point” sub-mask and are “paired” with the first control point.
- Now, if I reset the “Invert shape” status on the Control-point sub-mask (that is, with “Invert shape” switched OFF) then the opposite applies !!
– Areas selected by the additional Control-points ARE now cancelled out - - but the area selected by the original C-P is not.
No, “Invert Shape” doesn’t get deactivated / switched OFF here. – Actually, the “paired” Control points are inverted. The first (larger) Control point becomes positive and adds to the selection, while the two smaller ones subtract from it.
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I think this is a bug because it makes no sense how it works.
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So creating sub-CPs does not take into account the fact the original CP has been inverted.
Hmm, no. While it can be irritating, I wouldn’t call it a “bug”.
[ If you create a CP with one or more additional CP sub-masks and then Invert Shape it works as you would expect with all CPs working in unison. ]
That’s correct. The Control points are all “paired”.
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Another strange behaviour: If you create a CP with one or more sub-CPs and then Invert Mask on the CP, only the sub-CPs seem to be active.
Control points in separate submasks are no more “paired” and behave individually.
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Additionally, if the CPs are in a separate Mask group then they appear to work properly.
Just like before, as soon they are no more “paired”, they behave individually.
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Hope, that’s understandable.
First of all I (on a Mac) have a different icon for “protect point”:
So if I look at your screen you placed 2 “add” points and “inverted” one of them.
Secondly it doesn’t work like that on a Mac:
“Control point added” & “Counter control point added” (with an option key"):
It looks like the “counter” point remained “counter” (NOT expected outcome) and the “add” point has been inverted
Invert shape of the sub-mask once again:
It looks like the “counter” point became “add” point and inverted “add” point became “add” point once again (expected outcome)
Well … then please check the online user guide
→ Edit pictures with the Customize tab – PhotoLab)
and scroll down to
What’s called “Invert Shape” in the Windows version seems to be “Invert Mask Effect” in macOS. – And of course, I don’t know if they behave the same way.
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The point is…
In Windows some LA tools can be combined in the same sub-mask and when using “Invert Shape” they all invert / switch over.
LA tools belonging to different submasks or mask groups function independently. Now they can be “switched OFF” / deactivated individually by clicking “Invert Shape” again.
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Personally, I use the eye icon to deactivate them.
For the Mac:
“Negative” Control Points behave differently than “Normal” control points within a submask when applying the Invert Shape action. Negative control points loose their “negative”, or blocking action when the Invert Shape tool is applied a second time. They become “normal” control points.
To demonstrate:
A "normal Control point was added, then a “negative” control point was added using the “Option-key”. A negative exposure adjustment was applied.
Then the Invert Shape action was applied. First once, then a second time. Note the changes to the gizmo symbols and effect on the local adjustment (exposure).
Here is the initial state.
Here is the state after applying the Invert Shape once. The “negative” control point does not seem to be affected by the Invert Shape action. It does not “invert”. The initial blocking behavior and gizmo symbol are unchanged.
Here is the state after applying the Invert Shape action a second time.
Note: the “normal” control point returns to the initial state. The “negative” control point does not. It now behaves like a “normal” control point.
Brush tools (which also allow both “normal” and “negative” types) behave similarly. The “negative” brushes do not invert on the first use of Invert Shape, but then revert to normal brushes (not negative) when Invert Shape is applies a second time.
In contrast, using the Invert Mask action retains the difference between “normal” and “negative” control points or brushes.
Personally, I only use the Invert shape action when trying to a create clipping mask to isolate a lower submask. So find this very awkward to use.
