The change to the show range text in HSL is better now since it only appears when you have selected a range with your mouse. but the “Hold ‘Ctrl’ to show selected range” text is greyed out and hard to see. Its not a problem for those of us who know how the tool works, but the greyed out text may confuse people new to the feature. A brighter and more obvious display of that text is called for.
In my german version, the “greyed out and hard to see text” is only shown, if I already press Mouse or CTRL+Mouse in new “finger”-mode. -strange
Why does it appear simultaneously with the “finger” and than “CTRL”+Mousclick.
Agreed. Because you can also need to use the Cmd key to change the size of the pipette and the Alt key to zoom, this soon gets to be a difficult dance of fingers on the modifier keys. Having a steady state without having to maintain pressure on the Ctrl key would be much easier.
I’ve just installed 4.1.1. My recollection is that the text “Hold ‘Ctrl’ to show selected range” was always visible prior to 4.1.1, whereas now it only appears when you have a) selected a colour range and b) selected one of the handles on the colour wheel. This makes it hard to discover the feature as it is quite possible that after selecting a range you simply modify one or more of Saturation / Luminance / Uniformity without ever selecting a handle - in which case the text would never appear. To me, this further strengthens the argument for a toggle on / off check box.
Totally agreed. This question of “discoverability” is not something a user should have to deal with; things should be obvious.
It can be nice to discover an unadvertised (good) behaviour when you are an experienced user but, for the newbie, it is just one frustration after another.
If I may, I’d like to link this issue to the removal of expand/collapse arrows on palette items. They don’t even have to be functional but, how on earth is anyone new to “know” that clicking on the palette item’s title is what you have to do? Yes, that works for palettes and that is “unadvertised” but, at least, you also have the option on the hamburger menu as well if you can’t discover it.
Please DxO don’t hide any more visual clues. Developers and experienced users might not need them but new users need all the help they can get.
On Mac it’s a single click on panel title which expand/collapse it.
Previously this was activate/deactivate the panel. Now we need to toggle on/off the switch. Obviously this is the purpose of this switch, so good. But with a pencil on a tablet it was easier to click on the title to do that…
Why do an action with a double click when one click is enough?
The current operation is appropriate, it would be enough just to put back the small arrow to signify the opening / closing of the tools.
It’s just visual.
that’s what I meant: The text appears if I either press only the mouse or together with the CTRL-Key in the selected color.
But its no hint, if I don’t klick into the selected color.
Why not only a button I can see the whole time?
I’ve just downloaded 4.1.1 and my (Windows 10) machine won’t let me install it - apparently Microsoft think it’s unsafe. I appreciate it might think it’s ok again in an hour’s time. There’s a link to the Microsoft website where you can report the fact that you think the file’s safe and I’ve done that.
But if the issue persists, then DXO may need to take it up with Microsoft.