Although very few cameras support Content Credentials (C2PA) yet, it is a fundamental new norm for authentication of photos and therefore Photolab and all of DxO tools should be made compatible, so that image files don’t loose their C2PA metadata after being processed using DxO apps. Adobe is one step ahead because they are part of the original consortium that defined this norm.
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You can already deal with C2PA independently of any app, just by using ExifTool Jpeg2000 Tags
… so that is what you are going to do to handle these work flows? 
Sounds very streamlined and effective.
Why not urging DXO adapting to the definition like all the other thousands of companies and organisations that are working har d now in order to be good members of this community?
I don´t know why you are writing this Joanna?
For me it feels like it is close to trolling.
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You can just read this: C2PA User Experience Guidance for Implementers :: C2PA Specifications
I think reading just this shows how much there is to take in and understand, so I dont´t think we need and more desinformation about this. It is perfectly understandable that the users will need a user dialog around this in order to be able to act as good C2PA-users and because of that we definitely need DXO to wake up now if they don´t want to be considered totally irrelevant of all their users who might want to be part of these work flows without screwing them up because of a non C2PA-compliant software like Photolab.
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My present main camera A7 IV is C2PA-compliant and so will the next version of PhotoMechanic be. Both were used when Associated Press teamed up with Sony in order to create a C2PA-compliant work flow. I guess they use Lightroom in that work flow. Personally I hope both Capture One and DXO realise that they have to face these new demands both from the news industry and all their users in order not leaving a total walk over to Adobe. Because for this market segment - not breaking the chain - that is what it will all boil down to and for the moment Lightroom doesn´t but both Photolab and Capture One do for the time being and neither of these companies seem to have waken up to realise they will have to address these issues, if they intend to stay relevant for a great deal of photographers publishing their images for a picture authenticy and provenance aware public.
So Joanna, do you really still think your suggestion is a good idea?
As you can see in this link you are not the first to lift these issues:
Don´t miss to read Carl Siebert text on Leica and C2PA.
Thanks @Stenis . I have read your well-documented post from January and even linked to it in my initial post, but it was not tagged as “Feature Request” and therefore I’m concerned it can’t be voted-up and might escape the attention of DxO development team.
Thanks @Joanna . Your reply here is also a reply to the other Feature request I posted today asking for more control on editing metadata from within Photolab. I came to Photolab because I felt it is most successful at offering a one-stop shop for processing photos (why Adobe keeps Lightroom and Photoshop separate is beyond me). So using different apps, no matter how clever and free and open sources they might be, is really something I’d rather do without.
I voted for your text instead
PL8: Still no mention of C2PA.
Sony has developed new FW (version 4.0 that has been delivered now but the C2PA support was present already in version 3.0. I have had version 3.0 installed a long time in my A7IV but to activate the complete system for C2PA one also have to download a Sony Creators App application and when I looked at this when I got the FW 3.0 and downloaded that application the C2PS-application part of the system was not released at that time.
I guess I have to check again with version 4.0.
There is another problem too and that is that every application used in the postprocessing workflow of the pictures in any way also have to be good C2PA - citizens. Of my applications only one will be and that is the new version of PhotoMechanic - if I decide to buy it.
Adobe Lightroom I think is the only converter that will be compliant in a near future of the ones I have used and it will not happen that I will use Lightroom ever again in production. So it seem like this road for me to start using C2PA in a near future is not all that well raked after all but I have downloaded version 4.0 now and a newer version of Creators app, så we will see soon if Sony have got it together for their customers at least.
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Thanks for this.
Adobe really made themselves central in this whole process, and it all seems like the implementation of C2PA is so complex that only Adobe has the firepower to manage it in the short-term. It’s a shame though. I’m among those who left Adobe for good and I’m not going back, but DxO and other credible Adobe alternatives should be cautious not to let Adobe offer too many exclusive features that photographers care about.
I have installed version 4.0 and the latest version of the Sony Creators-app all but sad to say I don’t see any “certificate” for C2PA yet. We need a “certificate” in order to activate this function. I guess this is just one of Sonys stupid ways of doing things (at least Sony finally have stopped using that clumsy Windows-application in order to upgrade camera FW). Already my KonicaMinolta D7D were upgraded by just putting the FW-fileon the memory card. That was in 2005.
Why can’t they just do it like Leica? Is it because they want to promote that Creatorsapp?
My camera A7 IV was the type Sony used when they developed this solution together with Associated Press (AP) more than a year ago and still nothing useful for the users. I just don’t undrstand what the problem is.
There are thousands of software and media companies working with adapting them to this tech now and the ones that don’t will be able to offer their users access to produce data that has a documented provenance will become more irrelevant for professional use than they already are.
We also need more than alternatives to picture DAM-solutions than PhotoMechanic that soon will release new versions that support C2PA. Since I am making some tests already with iMatch as a PM substiture I will ask the developers at iMatch what their plans are.
If only they would communicate about it. It seems like the entire industry has been engulfed in the Silicon Valley culture of mystery and secrecy about the next development. Wait for our next big reveal (i.e. our next boastful, hype-filled, live press conference) to know anything about what comes next. We can only hope for some kind of “C2PA leaks” or at least a “C2PA Rumors” blog somewhere…
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I also have hard to understand why Capture One and DXO are completely silent. Why give a walk over to Adobe?
Which professionals will stay with DXO, Capture One or any other Adobe alternative if say most of the news industry will start to ask for their images provenance and the possibility to verify it.
As I suspect it might be more difficult for picture sources to compete that are not able to secure their pictures provenance and make them verifiable. All the big news agencies are part of this initiative and AP as just one example have already standardized on Sony themselves.
I guess their thought is that they can save lots of lots of time using pictures they know they can rely on before using all the rest they know nothing about which they will have to check manually to be able to use. I see C2PA and CAI as initiatives not just aiming to secure the provenance and counter fake news and fraud but also to improve efficiency in their picture-workflows.
I can very well see in a near future that both news agencies and other buyers of pictures worldwide would become much more reluctant to accept pictures from photographers using converters and metadata editors that fucks up these secure workflows. Of that reason I think both DXO and other manufacturers of these kind of tools have to wake up if they will stay relevant for serious photographers.
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I made a quick check and all the big ones in the news- and camera industry are there but not so in the software industry yet. Many newspapers worldwide are there too.
Soo this time I don´t think it necessarily will be a good strategy just to wait until it all “blows over our heads”. Too many have far too much to lose now if they don´t participate and cooperate to counteract all the attempts we can see almost every day to establish alternative “truths” through “Fake news”.
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Capture One now supports C2PA too
It is beta but so are the C2PA-libraries everybody else is depending on too.
Finally a real move on the Content Credential front and now there is at least one good real alternative to Adobe and Lightroom. Not surprising it is Capture One since it is a software for professionals…
I guess DXO have to make a move too soon if they want be be an alternative for professionals and not just for enthusiasts.
If I got it right it will be included in the packages Capture One Pro All in One and Studio.
Some new improved AI masking features too.
How interesting!
Who knows, DXO might surprise us too!
Well the problem with DXO:s update cycles compared to Adobe and Capture One is that it is a year to the next one probably and Capture On gives us updates when they are ready to ship new features and that is big difference. I don´t know how Adobe is doing it but they have the same opportunities to ship improvements anytime they feel for it too.
I don’t think that being part of the consortium is that big a deal. Adding C2PA support is not a great technical effort. I’ve read the spec and it is largely similar to most web and other applications which sign data.
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Yes thecspecs are open to read for everyone.
The implementations at Capture One can serve as a bad example how to fuck up this. In CO 16.5 you do not get support for C2PA in their most common licence which is PRO. So not even in a PRO-application ut us awailable just in the so called “All in one” and “Studio”. In my mind it us like to say that photographers covering world news are not to expect this support for provenance control that studio photographers will get. How smart is that?
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