Switch between LA and global mode is confusing - This UI element should be redesigned

Thats exactly what I tried to say… :wink:

Tut mir leid, wenn ich Ihre Nachricht falsch verstanden habe.

MfG.

If we had a switch that lets us select global or local mode, there would (all functions being usable in LA) be no need for extra tool panels. This would make the UI simpler and more consistent. Maybe change the slider handles to e.g. red to highlight the LA mode, @StevenL ?

Other than that: Add your votes!

@Pat91, your post is a bug report rather than a feature request. Change the thread title and add a proposal/request in your initial post?

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… which in fact does NOT disable the Local Adjustment (mask edit) mode, but only hides the RHS Local Adjustment palette.

In PL 6 the GUI was a lot clearer – see also here.

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From what I remember when trying (very shortly) PL7, is that quitting local adjustment involves to much steps.
I vote.

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Yes, I’d love that!

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Done. Initially the title was "Bug or feature ?..]. The fact that clicking in the image with what I thought to be a WB Color picker actually created a new Control Point instead of adjusting the WB decided for bug only. I still cannot decide between bug and bad design.

IMHO, a bug is when the program behavior doesn’t comply with the documentation. Otherwise it’s a design problem. Maybe it’s a documentation bug. It should make clear that the LA button is not a switch (especially because it was a switch in previous versions). But since closing the LA sub-palette does not disable LA mode but leaves it active while hiding the corresponding settings, this leads to confusion. I could not find anything in the documentation describing how to exit the LA mode (maybe I overlooked this).

So you’re right. This button should become a real switch. When putting it in the disabled state, most users are probably not planning to continue with local adjustments. I don’t see any advantage in staying in LA mode while hiding the corresponding LA settings and giving no feedback about which masking tool is currently active.

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hmm, not quite …

In PL6 the switch for the LA (mask edit) mode is next to the word Tool
( but not the hardwired TAB above, which only shows/hides the RHS palette ).

BUT

  • an additional big blue LA button & switch in the top bar clearly shows,
    if the LA (mask edit) mode is active,

  • and the EQ shows the tools & adjustments (hovering over the pic)
    until the LA (mask edit) mode is switched off.

In PL7 things changed … and now cause confusion.

[ BTW, if the LA TAB turns off the LA (mask edit) mode, one should be able to turn it back on using the special mask tool icon in a custom multi-monitor LA palette. ]


( and yes, I’d love to have global and local mode unified as proposed … :slight_smile: )

I wish DXO used more color (and contrast) in the UI. The LA adjustments have the circle and brush next to them, but it be helpful to also add color to the icon or to the sliders as you suggest. I would also like to have some indication of which adjustments I modified such as the icon turning yellow or red or whatever instead of having to expand each adjustment. I agree the implementation of the LA interface is clunky. Vote added.

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I agree that switching between global and local corrections is painful with the current setup. Also that quitting LA is awkward and though I’ve done it many times by now, I still get caught out with still activated tools.

I wonder though if anyone else shares my frustration with revisiting a previous local correction. I have to click on the local tab but then I would expect that if I clicked on an adjustment layer, the ‘control point / line / whatever’ would be shown on my image. I have to click on a tool for that, which seems counterintuitive.

I know that some like to set up their lines & brushes beforehand, deactivate them then use the sliders. In which case the current arrangement would suit them. I however, like to finesse the masks while testing adjustments. Perhaps there might be a better UI to suit both methods.

One thing that really gets in the way though is the previous mask showing itself (and obscuring my use of the tools) when I go near anything, despite having ‘show masks’ off.

This gets my vote as have similar requests going back an unsettling amount of time.

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That’s what I meant. It seems that when it becomes difficult to describe something in a UI, then that UI probably has a design problem :slight_smile:.

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Moving the “+” to the top left of the LA pane by the LA options (control point, control line, etc.) should lessen the amount of mouse movement (if not clicks) to add a new LA. I say top left because I mostly use control points and to a lesser extent, control lines.

Don’t you simply enable local adjustments by clicking on a tool and leave it by deactivating the tool by clicking on it once?

So basically the same like the horizon tool, crop tool, spot weighted tool… ?

That’s because, from DxO’s PLv7 design perspective, (since the demise of the big "Local Adjustments button), there is no longer the concept of 2 modes … Global & Local.

Like you, however, I find this often confusing and really annoying !!

There’s more, and broader, discussion on various issues related to PLv7’s new approach to Local Adjustments here … with links to requests & suggestions that you can vote for.

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That’s true only if you leave the LA button active. Otherwise, you don’t see these tools. But leaving the LA button active is actually masking access to the other panels. Once you returned to the any other non LA panel, you have to click again on the LA button to access the LA tools. In the Windows version, at least.

I still find V6 much easier to use for local adjustments. The constant clicking to get done what was one click and a key press does is frustrating

Done. I think the problem is that the DPL UI doesn’t seem to be designed as a finite state machine. Designing an UI this way allows to make it more consistent and easy to manage in a centralized way.

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Isn’t that true for every panel/toolset or whatever a group like that is called? You need to open it or click on it to bring it into view to access what is in it?

I click on the mask tool that I want to use, set the points or lines or whatever, then click on it again to deactivate and make my adjustments. Never had the issue of accidentally setting a control point or adding a brush stroke or erasing a mask (under Windows).

I’m adding my vote for the switch between local & global adjustments to be made simpler. Let’s hope the devs are monitoring this forum!

A few readings about Finite State Machines

https://blog.waqqasjabbar.com/all-you-need-to-know-about-finite-state-machine-as-a-software-developer-3976a9a496b3

You don’t need to be a programmer to understand the concept. This may shed some light on the reasons for which the DPL UI is not consistent enough.