Suggest a passable editing laptop (up to £500 UK)?

I’ve a desktop machine that keeps on kicking but changes in circumstances mean a laptop would really help me at times.

However I’m pretty clueless about available models. I do know roughly what to look for, but not any decent stores or models to shop for that would let me work to a bearable (even good?) pace with Photolab.

I’m UK based and happy to buy new or refurbed/second hand up to ~£500.

I understand a dedicated GPU would help with output, I’d like a 15-inch+ screen and decent battery life but appreciate for the money I’m suggesting, I won’t get brand-new and top-of-range.

That all said… any tips?!

If you want to do decent photo editing, you really need a laptop with a panel capable of displaying 100% of the sRGB gamut. You also need a decent GPU to ensure any exports using of the DeepPRIME algorithms take less than side of eternity to complete. You’ll find those sort of specs on gaming laptops. I paid just over £1000 two years ago for such a laptop. Despite the cost, the battery life is rubbish. Perhaps not surprising given that a decent screen and GPU will draw a fair bit of power.

A quick search found these refurb offerings, the first three of which are close to your budget but I know nothing about Medion as a brand:

Also bear in mind the battery in a refurb laptop is unlikely to have been replaced as part of the refurb, i.e. the battery life is likely to be suboptimal.

Hope that’s something to get you started. Good hunting!

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Don’t rule out the M series Macs. No point in going below M3.

Sorry just saw the budget - that rules out all things Mac

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https://ebay.us/m/rbvolE

I have a model of this laptop that is a generation or two older than the one in the eBay listing. My one has a screen that covers 100% sRGB, but screens can change between model generations so it would definitely be wise to find a review to check the screen on this one is 100% sRGB too.

Battery life on mine is not amazing, even when it was brand new so if you need a machine that runs all day on battery power alone then look elsewhere! Admittedly battery life may have improved compared to my machine too.

Overall I’m happy with the laptop.

Make sure you get the ‘Plus’ version. The screen on the standard Inspiron 14 is dreadful (for photography).

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@Fineus ,

I have a 2020 M1 Macbook Air (upper end model) and they sell for about your target price here.

The M1 is easily good enough for customising and exporting images…but it is a Mac, which means that you’ll have DxO apps with slightly different features.

I also propose that you read the posts about using PhotoLab on two computers.

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Look for a refurb Apple M1 16GB it’ll run DXO just fine.

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Totally agree with the two posts above, an M1 Mac runs Photolab very smoothly and the neural engine quickly exports images using DeepPrime.

Yes, a newer machine will be quicker, but for context I use an M1 with just 8Gb memory for work (exporting 24mpx raw images) and I intend to keep using this machine for a couple more years.

The memory is a limiting factor if I have numerous photo apps running, but if I just have Photolab, Outlook and Edge running then things are simply fine.

If I were to start using a 45mpix camera then I may look sooner to upgrading to a faster machine with at least 16Gb memory.

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Thank you (all) for replying!

Can I just check - will my license of DXO Photolab run on Windows AND Mac? I won’t suddenly find I’ve got the wrong version?

Might be a dumb question but I’ve only ever been Windows native.

I have a single licence for Photolab and you can certainly use a single licence to run Photolab on two computers. I use a Mac desktop and a Windows laptop. You need to download the installation file for each OS, and then input your licence details.

There are small differences between the Mac and Windows versions of Photolab, which is a little frustrating. There is a thread about this in the forum somewhere.

If you are expecting to share work between two computers (eg edit the same set of images using a laptop and desktop) then there are additional matters to consider because Photolab isn’t perfectly set up for images moving between computers. There are forum threads about this too.

Edit: Despite both my computers being of a similar age, the M1 Mac is faster at exporting DeePrime images. Both are machines run Photolab in a fluid manner when editing.

I discounted the M1 as it is getting old now but if it still works well enough and in your budget then yes they are good machines. I previously had an M1 iMac and that certainly ran PL7 ok, but was slowing up a bit on some other software - software that ironically I no longer run :frowning:

@CHPhoto I thought that the licence was for three systems with the Elite version and have believed that the licence can be for Windows and Mac, i.e. a mixed estate.

Regardless of the age of the M1, which may well run well enough as stated by @platypus who suggests you look for topics concerning running on multiple system, particularly if those systems run on different operating systems.

The databases are incompatible, the DOPs are becoming less compatible depending on the features you use.

The Mac version of PhotoLab tends to offer more features than the Windows version but has the limitation that you can put the database wherever you like but it only runs from the default location.

I was tempted to the look at the Mac when I was looking to purchase a Graphics card for my Windows system but decided that it would be a “one-trick” pony, i.e. all my other software is Windows, some have a Mac version, but it would essentially be for running PhotoLab.

I decided it was too much of a learning curve for a limited benefit, so bought an RTX 3060 for one of my PCs and later bought second hand RTX 2060s for my other two systems.

The systems within your budget new or refurbished have the 2050 and 3050 GPUs and compared to mine we have

and I have a lot of test results for the my 2060s and 3060.

But one final potential issue is that the GPU memory on offer is 4GB and that has been plenty in the past but with the coming of XP2s the Photolab memory requirement has increased and in the future…??

By that I mean the real memory requirement not the ridiculously high requirements put out by DxO, i.e. to achieve them most would have to start buying new GPUs every major release.

However, that means that the 4GB on offer with the laptops might prove too small in the long-term.

I cannot say for certain but on the release of PL8 we discovered that 2GB cards were being automatically failed, erroneously I contend because the warning stated that the cards were being failed because they failed to meet a 1GB minimum requirement!?

Sorry to complicate the issue!? With the Mac I believe that memory is shared between the CPU and the GPU which is certainly more flexible but does that mean that the safe minimum specification might become 16GB.

PS:- @Fineus If you provide a “typical” image and a “typical” DOP I will create a batch of ? (50/100) VCs and/or 50/100 actual duplicate images and run them through PL8 with what you consider an appropriate number of export copies (2, I would suggest, in this case) and see how long they take and how much GPU memory they consume.

PPS:- My statement about the M1 and RAM versus VRAM may well be nonsense @platypus can you help, please.

@Fineus the reason for my comments about the 2050 and 3050 in the post above were because I had stumbled on these offers on the HP site for new machines. I have no idea how good they may be but they are new and I was also offered a 5% discount.

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8 Gb isn’t enough RAM for Win11. I’ve just upgraded a niece’s laptop from 8 Gb because she was having to wait for frustratingly long periods between actions. The upgrade had a very positive effect - I gave her 32 but she probably only needed 16, but the additional cost was negligible so while I had the laptop apart I thought I might as well go for broke. Actions which previously took 20-30 seconds now happen instantly.

Up until the fall of 23 I was using a 2012 Macbook Pro with the core i7. (now I have a 21 M1 Max MBP). I was running an honestly pretty brutal workload through that laptop at that point and it never let me down. Honestly, for anything other than noise reduction tasks the old Mac was fine. And I would schedule batch tasks for Pure Raw and let the laptop do its thing overnight (never had any issues with errors). At the time I was using PL 7 and Capture one. You can get late model intel Macbook Pros for a song now (just recognize that OS support will end soon). M1 MBPs appear to be around $800 and up, so I’m thinking a 2019 or 2020 Core i7 would be were you most likely are money wise. Those are currently on Mac of All Trades for about $400, which is honestly a great deal. The biggest issue you’ll have is the planned obsolescence you’ll encounter when software stops being compatible with the intel chip, but hopefully you’d get 4 or 5 years before it becomes a pretty paperweight. Good luck!

While I’d rather go for an Apple Silicon Mac (better power/Watt) i’d probably stick to a Windows notebook, unless I wanted to switch completely. As for EOS, check out

Here’s why to stick with one platform: The database of DPL Mac/Win are different and backups aren’t interchangeable. Settings and metadata can therefore only be transported through the use of sidecar files. Although they are interchangeable between Win and Mac, they contain different sets of data from their respective databases. This means that some info is lost in the transfer from Mac to Win or isn’t contained in a transfer from Win to Mac.

Differences have been covered in several posts in the forum. Search for’em if you want to know what those differences are. To some, they are negligible and to others, they might not be.

I’ve got a 2019 16" Macbook Pro (the last generation of Intel-based Macs). It runs Photolab 8 perfectly well, and it can also be used as a Windows laptop as it is dual-boot, so if you end up preferring to stay with Windows that’s fine! They are available from places like Backmarket within your budget. A friend of mine uses uses Lightroom rather that DXO, and about a month ago he got so fed up with how slow his £600 windows laptop was with it that he came round and tried mine, and promptly bought one. This is what he got: https://backmarket.onelink.me/j4lA/c6mfvpa6