John
How do you see the implementation of occurence 1?
What type of mask will be proposed?
Let me remind you of DxO’s position.
“The user must be able to return to his Global settings during a Local correction”.
I subscribe to this view in my tutorials.
I see too many users rushing to LA before they’ve properly processed their image.
Perhaps DxO could offer a pop-up asking you to validate (and exit) the LA !?
Pascal
I agree with your proposal.
That there is a space between the various global tabs and the local adjustment one suggests a lack of confidence about LA’s nature. Is it another tab or a modal switch?
I find that it functions as a tab but that it causes too many usability issues as a result, including those arising from swapping between global and local adjustments. I would prefer that it worked as a modal switch and ease of use be maximised while in LA mode.
Swapping between local and global adjustments would be via this little Big button and need not break “The user must be able to return to his Global settings during a Local correction” (as mentioned by Pascal).
I am finding the additional burden of extra clicking and scrolling is making editing a lengthier and more frustrating process and I do hope that something more sensible is implemented.
David
That goal works perfectly well with this proposition, Pascal;
… … from this: 
- LA tools accessible
… … to, say . : 
- Global tools accessible
The LA-tab does not remain active in this case - and, therefore, it makes perfect sense that LA-mode be de-activated too … with the LA-tab acting as a toggle to auto-activate/deactivate LA mode.
In fact, there’s no point at all in LA-mode remaining active when the LA-tab does not have focus - because, in that case, the user does not have access to any of the LA-mode tools.
John
You’re right.
As it stands, DxO’s policy only allows you to modify the shape of the mask …
unless you create a personal palette of LA tools that can be accessed in parallel with your Global correction.
On my illustration, Global ClearView and Selective tone on LA at the same time.
Pascal
The same behaviour as the old Local Adjustments button would be a good start.
And here’s an example of that confusion - as expressed by a user who (not unreasonably) assumes it’s a bug !
John, in that one sentence you define the issue completely. If only the developers could read your post any sensible person would change the behaviour.
Unfortunately I think the developers mindset is stuck on the old “on screen equaliser” UI where what they wanted was not a problem.
This suggestion unfortunately does not solve the problem when none of the tabs are selected and the local settings are displayed under my favorites or even as a separate free floating palette.
In that case, the big button had two very handy features that are now gone:
It indicated that Local Customizations are active and it provides the options to quickly turn LA on and off. At the same time, there is direct access to all global settings in the view.
Yes - I understand your point, Martin … Tho, I doubt many users at all would be using either of those techniques in the usage of Local Adjustments.
Regardless; as you say, the new implementation does not provide an intuitive user-experience …
Instead, it’s now quite convoluted and, therefore, confusing … For example;
I’m sure DxO could come up with a much better, far less confusing, UI - and that’s my aim here.
I share your opinion and optimism. Current UX is less than ideal indeed and fixing can be done in software, because that is what software is for.
In global adjustments, all tools are active all the time, move a global slider and move on, that is all there is to it. In LA, an additional step is necessary though: Select the mask, move the local slider(s) and move on, either to another LA mask, slider or a GA slider etc.
(In global, not all tools switch on, when a slider is moved. that is another item that should be fixed for a more consistent UX.) @StevenL
From a user standpoint, it is a bug. It’s a ‘sticky’ modal switch with no obvious way to exit the mode. At the very minimum, there needs to be a user-obvious way to do that. For instance, an ‘X’ to the right of the LA tools that de-highlights any that are lit - and exits LA mode if some other tab (e.g. color) is selected. Or a ‘hold mode’ on/off slider switch. Then, if a user wants LA active while they move away from that column, they can do that.
One lesson from 25+ years of building application software: users don’t do well with modes, even worse with ones that are ‘sticky’.
Maybe it’s the applications that should do well with the users instead. 
That was the point. Don’t use modes unless there’s no other way to do it - and if you do, then make it clear to the user they’re in a different mode (clear enough in PL7 as the cursor stays appropriate to the LA tool selected). My only issue is that there’s no clear way to exit LA mode.
…the blue toolbar button was useful after all and it might be an idea to bring in some kind of informational element or dropdown to the toolbar again. Let it be smaller though in order to fit DPL on small screens too…and make the toolbar customizable.
You could do what image editing programs have done for years and simply add a “Base/Background /Image Layer” to the layers palette. It is a UI that is well established and familiar to many.
THIS could be a solution – at least for now …
had been thinking about it for a while
there was a proposal to modify the LA TAB into a switch, which should work for most, except …
.
– breaking the ‘convention’ that the TABs (only) serve as shortcut,
switching between (visible) tool groups without deactivating any
.
– is in the way when additionally using a ‘floating’ palette or a second screen
simply showing the LA‘s state (active / not active) avoids any misunderstanding
( and apart from this … allow the user to keep the LA’s box visible at top → see Nik 6 )
Some one mitigated not returning to the Blue button On/Off.
But it was so easy before with it and whilst ON if the floating panel is visible you can, as we did before, work on LA’s and Global at the same time.
Surely that covers everything we would require and no confusion what so ever.?
…and move the LA panel to the left sidebar to always know what we’re fiddling with…
In fact, dealing with the LA is starting to give me a headache 
I also just found this. Sorry if it is already mentioned somewhere else.
I created a control point. Then I added a control line inside it. Selecting it does nothing.
You have to select a tool before you can see anything. So if I come back to this photo after a while and I haven’t given the LA a good description, it’s a kind of trial and error to find out what it’s good for.
I predicted this confusion earlier and the main problem is that there are local and global tools. In Capture One these problems are far of a problem since the idea is that ALL tools shall work both globally and locally. The way to achieve that is to separate the global and local modes are through the layers AND NOT through different sets of menus.
In Capture One the global “mode” is not a global mode at all really, it is just a separate layer called “Background” and all the tools that works “globally - on the Background” works “locally - on every other local adjustment layer” too. These problems in Photolab occurs because DXO is still trapped in the old metafor of “Control Point” think that has prevailed since the Google times. The Local Adjustments were never integrated with Photolab but just “bolted” on as sort of a “strange bird”.
There is really no good solution of this problem in Photolab where we are supposed to live in parallell worlds and DXO will have a maintenance problem that Capture One doesn´t even have and these problems won´t go away if we get back the old “Local Adjustment”-button. Do we really think that button shall solve this problem??
This interface problem of Photolab wil not go away until DXO takes a whole new grip on the layer system in Photolab I think. I also think there should be a possibility to turn a color pick into an own layer and a possibility to use the Color Wheel in all other layers.
