I don’t see the eye dropper in the middle of the color wheel.
Should the color wheel work with jpg files?
Thanks,
Aubrey.
Perhaps you’re looking at the Color Wheel in Local Adjustments (?) … which does not provide a sampling tool.
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yes …
John,
Thank you for your pointer.
Yes I was looking in local adjustments. I’ve now got it sorted.
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@Aubrey, I’m surprised no one of these very experienced users haven’t suggested you to use the new local tool HSL-mask instead because that is intended to replace the old local Color Wheel and it also comes with the color picker that the local Color Wheel never got equiped with.
Do you finally see now @Wolfgang that the interface in Photolab 8 confuses some users??
You seem to have more “insight” than anybody else here in the forum.
Do you finally see now @Wolfgang that the interface in Photolab 8 confuses some users??
Please stop these silly arguments and read what I said.
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@Aubrey
The local Hue mask tool (PL8) allows selecting parts of an image by color
to then apply local adjustments
- … and also the local HSL tool
when to adjust Hue, Saturation, Vibrancy, Luminance, Uniformity
The new Hue mask is not intended to replace the Local HSL Color wheel, it works with it. I use the two features together quite often on my images.
Mark
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What is silly about stressing the interface design flaw where you select that part of an image and than have to look for the tools elsewhere to apply Saturation and Vibrancy. No wonder people get lost from time to time with such a design. It is just a variant of the old global - local Color Wheel where the picker was just available at the global one.
All Color Wheels adjustments are local really so there has never been necessary to have two different Color Wheels. That has been the real design mistakes from the very beginning together with not creating a layer instantly in the backgrund as we now have got with the Hue Mask-tool. What does and did the global Color Wheel add that the Hue Mask can´t solve by itself??? … or the local Color Wheel with a color picker could have solved already in version 7???
Time to look up now Wolfgang and to end your never ending apologies for these really ineffective design flaws that we have seen and have had to live with in years now in Photolab and download a trial of Capture One so you can see how it can be design in a much more consistent and effective way.
This remembers me of when the Brittish comedian Marty Feldman was taking a flight with the not so good airline “Cut Price Touurs” looking for the life west under his seat when they had all been moved to the luggage rack above. The airhostess than said in the PA radio that “There is no need to panic just because you don´t find the life wests under your seats! Life wests are on the baggage racks nowadays but you are not allowed to take of your seat belts while reaching for them!”
Also an example of a slightly confusing design flaw!
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Yes and that is the design flaw well demonstrated by Aubrey!
A better design would have been to add a rainbow slider to make changes possible to the selected color and to add the sliders for Saturation and Vibrancy below the Color Wheel to the Hue Tool
Come on! Do you really think this design is a good one as it is now when we now have to scroll down SIX SECTIONS of the tools menu to look for those Saturation and Vibrancy sliders after having activatet the Hue Mask and picked the preferable color? I hope you never have designed any user interfaces in your previous life guys.
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I studied user interface design in college and know how frustrating it is to see designs that lack logic, efficiency, or insight into human cognitive processes. I’ve had to come to terms with DxO’s largely incremental approach over many years. I remember when they first implemented the HSL wheel: it was welcomed as overdue and appreciated as thoughtfully-designed. Local adjustments have since evolved (according to a plan) and now include the same HSL wheel without the color picker. That bit was a surprise. The question about why the picker was left out seemed to have been answered with the arrival of the hue mask. But as you point out, there are ways to improve the design with all of these pieces in place.
For whatever reason, DxO has put off overhauling the user interface. They’ve managed to eek out more performance and change the layout, but there’s still more to be done. I imagine it’s on DxO’s roadmap, but that is known only to them. I find they are very open to suggestions through support or the beta test programs - as long as we are respectful and willing to be patient.
I think it’s important that we all feel welcome to share ideas, opinions, and workflow strategies in this forum. Passionately if desired, with lively disagreements - but respectfully, please. We all see and work differently and that is of great value.
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I never said the design doesn’t need work. I was just responding to your specific statement regarding the Hue mask and the local color wheel. I am very familiar with the current local adjustment implementation and it doesn’t hold me back, but a redesign is needed to make it more efficient and user friendly.
Mark
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Love the following arguments.
At ,east John told me my mistake… thanks agsin John!
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I did see something about layers when in local edit and looking at help… I though oh my goodness here we go photoshop!
Sorry, this is complete rubbish. Simply read …
That’s good, clear-headed, advice; in keeping with the collaborative “vibe” of this forum.
Yes, the original HSL wheel was a valuable new feature, but …
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I don’t agree that, overall, it was thoughtfully-designed - - Conflating Saturation & Vibrancy into the HSL tool was a bad UI/UX decision … functionally exposed as such by the necessary enabling/disabling of Sat & Vib settings according to whether or not the white-channel is currently selected !
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I can guess at the likely reason for this conflation (to rationalise/simplify internal code logic) - BUT, the subsequent contortions required to “make it work” simply expose the wrongness of that design choice.
It’s curious that the HSL wheel is positioned (within PL) as a Global tool … whereas the Hue Mask is deemed to be a Local Adjustment … 
- This, I reckon, is another consequence of the bad decision to conflate Sat & Vib settings within the (global) HSL tool … with it then being necessary for the HSL tool to be considered a global tool because it incorporates global Sat & Vib settings … Ipso facto !!!
Here’s how I’m working with colour adjustments;
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I now think of the HSL tool as being a replacement for the Color Accentuation tool (as it was pre-PLv7) … and I use it ONLY for Saturation & Vibrancy settings.
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For Hue adjustments I use the Hue Mask in LAs.
I’m expecting there to be more refinements coming to the Hue Mask - to incorporate valuable features from the (subsequently redundant !) HSL tool; such as …
- ability to click-and-hold to enable/disable display of effects by channel
- ability to Ctrl+click to apply a temporary mask by channel
The merging of Saturation and Vibrancy adjustments into the HSL wheel was a later change (PhotoLab 7) - not part of the original design that was so warmly received (PhotoLab 4).
Thanks, Greg. I stand corrected on the timing …
So, the conflation was a bad decision that was inflicted upon us with PLv7.