ligtroom for example save edit history on windows since 2001…
I have already been beaten to that reply. I also use Lightroom classic and it certainly keeps its history.
Yeeesss!.… I would much rather have 100 items in the advanced history rather than having 100 virtual copies taking up the real estate on my screen, especially when you need to come back four or five virtual copies to try a different edit. This causes a new leg and can get very confusing if you need to do further edit’s.
Something I do now, even though the so-called history is not kept. For arguments sake you have done a crop and then decided you need to increase the exposure and not been satisfied with the first attempt, increased it by a bit more. For arguments sake increased it four more times. Making five attempts in all. My method is to look at the box to the right of the exposure and take a note of the numbers then step back in the history to the last crop setting and click back on the exposure and add the last numbers to the box on the right hand side. That will then reduce the size of the history. Hopefully that makes sense.
This method makes the history smaller and easier to find what you are looking for even though it is not kept for further sessions.
As @asvensso has said an option in the preferences of both the Windows and Mac’s version would solve yours and others that do not require it.
Just because YOU think that it is “unnecessary” many others want this feature.
As has been explained to YOU many times before, there are several advantages to having this feature - least of which is that Mac users have it and it was promised to Win users on many occasions by DXO staff.
If YOU do not wish to use this feature, then just turn it off but, let other fellow users have this feature, especially, since it was advertised and promised by DXO.
I would love to have this feature, However I have been one of the most active people on this site in the last seven years and have reviewed almost every single post made to this forum, and I can assure you it was not promised by DXO staff on many occasions. I do recall one or two posts from years ago which suggested that they were working on it, nothing more. Certainly no promises. If you can find more than one or two posts from years ago that even suggest a promise on their part this site I would certainly love to see it.
Mark
In Windows, it’s an option, Affinity Photo keeps the history.
In this thread, there are three instances where DXO said they were working on it. So, why would they be working on it if not planning to implement it?
Or did they just use the wrong terminology?
"Musashi
Product TeamDxO staff
Jun 2022
Hello @Prem
That’s definitely something we want to implement. It won’t be for PL6 unfortunately but we are working on this for a next version. We’ll keep you informed.
best regards"
A while back, I came across the original statement of when the Advanced History was first announced. DXO listed some of the features that the History enabled such being able to see what date you made a change. Thus, implying that the History is saved across sessions.
There was no mention that this was a Mac only tool or that it would not work properly with Windows. It implied that this was a tool for everyone.
Understood, Allan, and I acknowledged that in my post, above.
If DxO decided to extend the life of history across sessions (for the Win version);
… and that would be a must-have option for me, which I would immediately switch OFF.
As I said in my post there were a couple of references to working on it but there were no promises made. DxO does not commit to the timing of long term future enhancements.
Indicating they are working on it for the next version is not a promise or commitment, it is merely a hope for the next release. If they indicated it would definitely be in PhotoLab 7, that could be construed as a promise, but they would never commit to anything like that.
There are literally dozens of enhancements that they had hoped to implement in some specific version of PhotoLab that never made the cut. None of them were ever specifically promised. Unfortunately, often their communication in English is not always as clear as we would like leading some people to see things as promises. One needs to understand DxO speak and be able to read between the lines…
Mark
At the beginning of this thread we have posts like this in response to your own expectation that persistence on Windows “should be added shortly”:
And this:
Then this 20 months later:
No written contract, but it borders on the absurd that we’re now at PL8 and they still haven’t seen fit to finish the job.
But this is not a requested feature, Advanced History was introduced and was a selling part of PL4.
https://www.dxo.com/download/user-guide/photolab-4-en.pdf
Here is what is said (in part - excluding the pictures)
DxO Advanced History - corrections
*History role and function *
Using the history palette
History role and function
Located in the left pane of the Customize tab, the Advanced History palette displays all the steps in the work and corrections made to an
image, including the date it was opened in the program and the application of initial automatic corrections (Standard DxO Presets), in
ascending chronological order (most recent step at the top). All this information is stored in real time in the DxO PhotoLab database, and
requires no intervention on your part.
Usage
Depending on the user, the history has a number of uses:
List all corrections of all images for reference.
Make comparisons from one image to another by comparing histories.
Perform before/after comparisons at all stages of correction, for example, to find the most appropriate settings for a particular tool
or combination of tools.
The DxO Advanced History palette records the following information, which is retained when you exit the program:
*Which default preset was applied when you opened the image in PhotoLab. *
Name and (ON or OFF) status of the sub-palette used.
Name of the tool used.
Current and previous settings.
The settings of a Custom Presets, grouped and presented in a list (click the step arrow to reveal the settings).
DxO PhotoLab 4 - User Guide - Copyright © DxO Labs 1999-2020 - All rights reserved
Note the line:
The DxO Advanced History palette records the following information, which is retained when you exit the program:
No mention, at this time, that it does not work properly in Windows. The comment from DXO about this not being available in the Win version came later after people reported that it did not work.
So, in my opinion, DXO should have fixed this before PL4 was released and that we users should not have to ask again and again for several years to have it fixed.
Is this unreasonable?
The same scenario has played out for dozens of other wanted enhancements that have never had been implemented. Many have even had suggested time frames but DxO failed to deliver. You have been a member here for quite a while, but If you have been following their enhancements in as much detail and for as long as I have, you would understand that none of these vague suggestions constitutes a promise, merely a hoped for future event suggested by a subset of their staff. This is one of the reasons why DXO no longer participates and responds with that level of detail anymore. They don’t want to inadvertently set expectations that they may not be able to meet.
To be sure, DxO have made absolute promises about the implementation of some enhancements that have never happened in both public responses here and in private messages to me. An example of that is the implementation of solo mode similar to what is available in Lightroom. Promises were made on this site and to me personally in private that this was definitely going to be implemented several years ago but was ultimately dropped. with no further comments publicly or privately. I believe they decided that the implementation of the Smart Workspace buttons on the top of the right panel came close enough to solo mode and abandoned any further development of it for use in the standard palettes. I don’t believe they were purposely lying, but those promises were premature.
From long experience I’ve discovered that real promises from DxO regarding future implementations are only published shortly before an event takes place and with much more specific language.
If DxO was to announce during midsummer of this year that saving advanced history across sessions would be available in the next version of PhotoLab being released in October, I would take that as a promise. Or if they promised it for the next point release coming out during the next month or so, I would also see that as a promise. Anything else would just be something that they hope to accomplish in a more future time frame. Ongoing work on the feature set is very fluid and is often reprioritized depending on various circumstances and unexpected issues. Their error, and the reason they don’t do it anymore, again is setting expectations that they may not be able to meet.
Mark
Yes, I’m well aware of all of this. I’ve been around since PL1 and have logged more support cases than I care to admit on many of DxO’s missteps.
But there’s no excusing them. In the case of advanced history they marketed and documented (in PL4) a feature that they didn’t deliver to Windows users, and then changed the documentation (in PL5) to say “Mac only”. They sold PR4 with XD2 support as “coming soon” and haven’t delivered. They deliver features like Projects that are practically useless for any serious purpose since they can’t be migrated to a new computer. They’ve documented dop files as “cross-compatible” between Mac and Win for years when this has been stretching the truth at best (DCP/LUT support requires editing dop files when moving between platforms) and only responded to that relatively recently, again by removing the claim of compatibility from the documentation. And so on.
They deserve nothing but scorn for this kind of behaviour.
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I certainly understand your frustration and completely agree with your criticisms. I too have had to deal with their numerous missteps for more than 7 years. As a result the bar for my feature expectations has been set low. Occasionally DxO significantly exceeds those expectations with some new or improved feature, but since I don’t expect much I am rarely disappointed anymore. Having said that, after seven years of almost daily use of every version of PhotoLab since PL1, I still find it to be superior for my purposes to any other software I have purchased or trialed.
Mark