iPhone 17 ProMax and DeepPRIME

[wyliec2]

I was hoping to use DeepPRIME 3 on my iPhone 17 Pro Max images.

I know JPEG and ProRAW will not work as they contain processed information.

I installed ProCamera on my phone as I understood that it will generate unprocessed RAW images and TIFF images from the iPhone camera.

Looking at the RAW output - it certainly looks unprocessed but DeepPRIME is not selectable for noise reduction.

Is this possible or is there something else I should be doing??

TIA for any feedback.

[mwsilvers (Mark - New Jersey, USA)]

While I’m not a iPhone user I did a few searches which suggested that even in the situation you’re describing, the output DNG files are still not pure raw files and contain processed data. Even if they were pure raw files I wouldn’t assume that PhotoLab would recognize them unless DxO has indicated that it will.

Mark

[eriepa (WIN11, PL9, FP8, VP4, NIK1)]

@wyliec2

Is this possible or is there something else I should be doing??

Welcome! The ProCamera app by cocologics (and several other apps) enables the creation of two distinct types of DNG files. The first type is the ProRaw file (linear RAW DNG). The second type is a true Bayer RAW DNG file.

PL9 will open ProRaw files, but DeepPrime is not available as ProRaw files have already been demosaiced in-camera.

At this time, PL9 will not open recent smartphone Bayer RAW DNG files. Some Bayer Raw DNG files from older smartphones can still be opened and edited in PL9.

[Egregius ([Greg] (Micro 4/3 + Win11))]

DxO documents that RAW support is contingent on the camera and lens being supported. Not just any RAW file will be readable by PhotoLab.

I don’t know if what ProCamera captures as “RAW” is in fact a RAW file. There’s a lot of marketing behind such claims. DxO’s own claims are full of marketing baloney - even outright lies in a couple of cases. Take that with a grain of salt.

Additionally, have a look here:

Apple iPhone Support for ProRAW but not Bayer RAW?

This is not as mysterious as you imply. DxO published a FAQ response to the problem of mobile-device RAW support here: Support for RAW generated by smartphones – Help center Admittedly, there is a little bit of “take our word for it” in this article. But it’s far more clear than the past situation of wondering why DxO isn’t taking more of an interest. If an app is needed to obtain a Bayer RAW file, then it sounds like it’s being manufactured from processed data. DxO is very picky about where…

[wyliec2]

Thanks to all for the replies!!

I’ve been weighing continuing to use my iPhone 17 ProMax versus getting a point and shoot camera for travel and marginal situations.

Some amount of zoom as well as low light conditions are key factors for me.

The iPhone holds up pretty well in most situations for social media and sharing. More zoom combined with challenging lighting, hit the iPhone limitations - where I thought DxO DeepPRIME3 and X3D would be beneficial.

I’ve been comparing my iPhone with the Panasonic TZ99 (potentially worse due to smaller sensor). I’m finding that in the poorest conditions, the TZ99 raw files processed with X3D are much better than the iPhone output. I was particularly surprised at how much better X3D did over DeepPRIME3.

FWIW, I originally started using DxO back in the early versions of OpticsPro with Sony A-mount equipment. I recently sold all the bodies and lenses and am in search of a more portable and compact option that still provides the hobby aspect of RAW file processing. The TZ99 exercise is more of a proof of concept effort without expecting that to be the end goal.

Thanks again for the feedback!

[Sparky2006 (Chuck)]

There are some nice point and shoot cameras that deliver very nice/rich RAW files.

The rugged & waterproof Oly TG-5/6/7 is one of them.

[stuck (stuck [Canon, PL9+FP7+VP5, Win11+RTX 5070 12GB RTX])]

@wyliec2

am in search of a more portable and compact option

I have no experience of it but I have heard from someone who bought the OM1 Mark II, to reduce weight compared to their Canon R6 mk II. They love it.

[wyliec2]

Thanks for the equipment suggestions!

I’m considering something like the Panasonic ZS300 as an everyday, take-along camera. It has several compromises, but with the the zoom and 1” sensor combined with DxO processing it seems it could deliver reasonable results.

For more deliberate shooting, I’ve been looking at the Canon R7 or the Sony A6700. Both having APSC sensors and pairing with a f2.8 wide zoom in the 16-50mm range. I’m aiming for a compact one body/one lens package - in looking over several years of images, the vast majority were taken in the 24-50mm range. APSC seems a good combination of sensor size, resolution while keeping lens size, weight and cost manageable

At my age and physical condition (old and limited), I’m a fair-weather photographer so significant weather sealing is less of a concern. Video is not a priority for me - the iPhone covers most of my needs there - mostly grandchildren sports/dance type of activities. I do use Topaz AI to clean up videos as needed.

I appreciate the input here!!