How well does Photo Mechanic Plus integrate with PL?

I’m not sure how to deal with the different modules/parts that DxO has in asking questions.

I currently have Sony mirrorless cameras (newest is A7CR), but also have older models. On occasion I use an Olympus TG-5; I also use my Pixel 6 for wider shots. Windows 11 Pro, Photo Mechanic Plus (an older version, at that time I couldn’t find an editing program with the metadata fields that I need and that wasn’t as slow as LIghtroom 6).

How well do any basic modules of DxO work with PM (not sure which I would need for basic things, maybe PhotoLab and PureRAW to start)? At this point I don’t print quality prints, just for online (mostly macro, as detailed as I can get it).

I have Capture One 23, however, it stopped loading new files even after I moved the bulk to another location to see if it was just the number of files, so I have at least five months of backlog. I think it started doing that before the newest camera, but not positive. Previous Sonys also have .ARW raw files.
I don’t find their support that great anyway, and they’re slow. I was looking around for something else before, but now I’m hampered by having to set up a replacement laptop and get it to look like Windows 7 Pro (more single-line text navigation instead of large graphics that take up too much room plus I cant find anything).

I know there are some older posts, but I don’t know how often there are updates/new versions.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Use PMP as a DAM (Digital Asset Manager) for metadata etc and use PL to develop your RAW photos. Simple things like Star Ratings can be read by PL but don’t expect seamless two-way transfer of metadata between the two apps.

These apps have two very different uses so I would suggest you use them mostly in isolation.

If you have PhotoLab you don’t need PureRAW. PureRAW is designed to be a pre-processor for applications like Lightroom.

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PhotoMechanic integrates really well with Photolab. You just need do rig PM so it opens your selected files in PM with PL. You also need to rig Photolab to "Synchronize data automatically between PM and PL.

The reason PL works better than both Lightroom and C1 with PM is that it unlike LR and C1 don´t have an “Import”-function, since it is working straight on the files and folders in the filesystem. C1 is pretty hopeless and wants to import and activate the files you want to open as “Collections” but Photolab has a special ad hoc feature called “External Import” that is much simpler and more effective to use than “Collections” or for that matter “Projects” in Photolab. Collections is forced administration and “External import” is close to =-administration. You can just ignore it if you want.

Since Photolab has become really expensive to use (if you want a perpetual licence) it is 399 U$, you might also want to check out iMatch which just released a new version (2025) and cost just 135 U$ for a perpetual licence. So, PhotoMechanic is about three times more expensive but that was not my reason to emigrate really. Here is why:

Both PM Plus and iMatch are old softwares but were different. Photolab is still based on the old IPTC-standard but converts and “forks” the data to XMP at export too but iMatch is XMP from the bottom and up, so it is a much more modern software. CameraBits still have to rewrite their whole application to get there and that might not even happen now. The interface in iMatch far is more modern and effective too. It has a lot of features PM just lacks. iMatch has both Face Detection and a much better interface to Geocoding and Maps (many more diffrent API:s to chose from) and on top of that a wide API-interface towards AI-services like Google Gemini and Open AI for autotagging of both image “Description” and “Keywords”. Both Open AI and Google have just released new versions that are nothing else than stunning when it comes to both accuracy and performance. There are even choises that are totally free to use.

Of that reason iMatch workflows are so mach more effective than PhotoMechanic. I have used PM PLUS 6 for about four years and been pretty happy with it. It is fast and effectice until you have to maintain Descriptions and Keywords. Then suddenly everything gets manual and the productivity stalls completely.

With I match you create (engineer) the “prompts” that suits you for both Descriptions, Keywords and Landmarks (that are static) and then there is an ad hoc “prompt” were you take care of the rest. This is just extremely much more effective. To get relevant and well written texts set on houndreds of pictures just takes a few minutes with surprisingly little need for corrections. It even read, translate texts in both Arabic, Russian and Hebrew I have thrown at it so far.

For you who use hierarcic keywords (which I don´t) I also can tell that iMatch is the first software I have seen so far that really streamlines even the maintenance of structured keywords by XMP (which use to be a real pain in PhotoMechanic), since it is totally taken care of by the AI. Unlike a software like Photolab that totally lacks support for migrating vocabularies iMatch has a good support even for migrating them through it´s Thesaurus-function.

Since many years I have taken quite a few tousands of safari pictures (my first was in Kenya 1971 and I have been on eight so far) that I have left for many years unfixed because I could not motivate me for the efforts. Now many of them have been fixed with very little efforts by the use of Autotagger in iMatch and AI. The new Google Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite language model API even fix to set the Species, Families and Scientific Latin Names of both mamals, reptiles and birds, that the older Open AI GPT 4.0 Mini just did not fix at all properly. So a dramatical improvement has really but quietly taken place in that respect just the last month. Both Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite and Open AI 4.1 GPT Mini are very good and the cost is almost negligible. The reason I use Gemini now is that it is way faster but still as good and better than Open AI GPT 4.1 Mini.

iMatch now even supports the C2PA/CAI Provenance and Certificates and any image can be controlled now with a built in CAI-Verifier. That feature is not even integrated in Capture One PRO. For that you have to pay more and buy their even more expensive versions like Capture One Studio.

Is it a coincidence that both Capture One and CameraBits now are in the hands of venture capitalists that has lost contact with the planet and with very little other interests than to squeeze ut as much as possible in as short time as possible? Remember: Three times more for a much inferior product than iMatch is today :frowning:

I started to migrate about three months ago and I have to say it is the best thing I have done for many years when it comes to photography and my image workflows. Finally I feel I really is getting something done with my old images and my photo archive and if you feel you are sitting were I was sitting a few moths ago spending to much time maintaining metadata and are getting tired of it: Maybe you as a user of Photolab should downlod a trial and test how it integrates with PL too.

iMatch works pretty differently than PM Plus and has a slightly higher learning curve, mainly because it is more feature rich I think but don´t let that put you off because the User Forum is just fantastic. If you have a problem and post a text about it there you can count on an answer from the guy in person that has developed iMatch the next day. Even the documentation is top class.

… and a last reflection: I have during a long time used Photolab to develope my old scanned Agfa CT 18 color slides despite Photolab can´t handle either sharpening or its noise/harsch structure, but the Fine Contrast-function made up for that partly. I tested with Topaz Photo AI 3 that on the contrary to Photolab can both sharpen and denoise both JPEG- and TIFF-files. Was not entirely happy because Topaz is very ineffective to use and the results a mixed bag often with terrible artifacts. Some week ago even Topaz got upgraded to version 4 and got a little bit more polished. Version 3 is very much a Beta. Suddenly I feel I can get a much better result with version 4 than I have been able to get before and at least for my most precious pictures I think it is worthwhile but for everything else and maybee 99% of my pictures Photolab is still number one despite lacking quite a few things I today, because of its image quality and relative effectiveness of handling mainstream workflows.

For me and I guess a lot of others the is nothing like a Swiss Army Knife of photo software and that is why seamless reliable automatic XMP-metadata interoperability is so important.

In fact, the real price with 25% VAT like it is for swedes buying it straight from CameraBits, a perpetual license of PhotoMechanic Plus is 5052,40 SEK which is 522 U$ at a rate of 9,68 SEK per USD. I think that is quite a lot and a real steap rise of the prices.

Four years ago almost the same software (because the development of PM has almost been Zero over these four years) costed me less than 200 USD.

yep, making more money now a days than before, perpetual license as its’ good and bad. people don’t want to work for 30$ / hour so price of everything had to go up, plus now with US tariff… it’s only getting worst.

Probably not the reason. I don’t think CameraBits is interested at all reallly in selling perpetual licenses. Like many other companies with a flat development curve that have hard to motivate people to upgrade (not very much has happened since four year old 6.0 came) they have found them forced to go all in for subscription. When people “rent” a software on a monthly or yearly basis the money just keep coming regardless if there is any development taking place or not.

PhotoMechanic has been industry standard for decades in some branches that haven’t seen all that much change and competition. Many of their customers have been happy with that because they live in a special eco-system for sports journalists for example but they have also had quite a lot of ordinary users like me that are not a part of that. We can now see that CameraBits is stuck there with their really old concept unable to diversify or develop.

They just can’t compete at all anymore in that market I’m part of which is a market of users demanding a much higher productivity powered by smart AI that free us from manual or semimanual editing of the “Description” and “Keywords”-elements and that is an extremely important task to solve today. PhotoMechanic is just not there. The thing with AI-driven softwares like iMatch is that they already have these answers AND in this case offers a far more competent, flexible and productive software than PhotoMechanic is today and on top of that to a price less than 1/3 of the price CameraBits offers. That is an equation that will be problematic to solve in the long run.

I have myself suggested Kirk Baker at CameraBits to diversify their “totally photocentric DAM” with possibilities to tie XMP-metadata even to PDF-, MS Office- and all other types of files might have an interest in organizing but nothing has happened. Even possibilities like these are supported in iMatch that have understood that many photographers are running small companies with a lot of other needs than just organizing their image- and video -files. Unlike PhotoMechanic iMatch is a real DAM. Most comporate DAM-systems have already gone through that transition for more than 10 years ago when many news papers closed down. They all had to find new markets.

Sure CameraBits is a small American company of maybe 10-15 people but that is no excuse today and in this case since Photools that makes iMatch is a superproductive German one-man-company and manages this and to run maybe the best support I have met so far. He manages to stay on top of all this because he uses AI in a very effective way. So it all boils down to that it is the markey and your own productivity that decides if you will be able to earn more than these 30 USD you are talking about in the long run. Not even the new venture capitalists at CameraBits lives in a competitive vacuum and users like me are now leaving PhotoMechanic one by one for better, more usable and more productive alternatives.

I’ve had good support for PMP when I’ve had the need. I like the ability to use variables. Applying metadata to multiple photos was easier in LR 6, but I don’t think I need to have a catalog depending on how accessing photo files works. In C1 I’ve only tried one catalog (with a catalog in PMP as a test to see if they’d line up, but no(). Otherwise, since I have my folders by year and phone photos separately currently (may combine the Sony and phone files), I need to be able to see/select files in subfolders under Pictures (sometimes elsewhere also).

Where did you find out about the “new venture capitalists” at CameraBIts?

So only one person re: iMatch, that’s a concern. What if something happens to him? I recall a guy who wrote a lot of plug-ins for Lightroom, one or two that he modified for me. But then he disappeared and I don’t remember if anyone found out what happened.