Ghost appears when using local adjustment tool

[klasal (Klaus Salkola)]

Found following odd behavior with PL9.

When using control point a ghost phenomena appears behind many objects. See images:

• Image 1: Image is ok as long as the mouse button is not pressed.
• Image 2: A ghost image appears and the resolution drops as long as I do press the mouse button.

This makes it difficult to make adjustments. The same occurred when using other local adjustment tools.

Prior to this, predefined AI mask (background) was applied and the selection refined by reducing area of background.

Has anybody else experienced this?

[LVS]

It matches the people in the image, looks like a mask may have shifted position. Can you post the same image and turn on the mask display so the location of each of the two masks can be seen ?

[Wlodek]

@LVS

looks like a mask may have shifted position

… and shifted with different vector, depending on position. Plus this strange highlighted strip at the bottom with jagged black boundary.

Interesting, never seen anything similar before. Couldn’t reproduce it in PL9.3.2/Win.

On #2 (the one at the top – you got image order reversed during upload, btw) there’s a jagged black line and highlighted strip at the bottom, sax seems to be part of another CP, all heads having ghost duplicates, plus a lot more strange artifacts. Looks like luminance shifted but with different vector depending on location. The chair in bottom left makes any guesses even more difficult.

Some questions:

• Just to be sure, did PL or Win restart help?
• Did you apply any geometry corrections, like Horizon or Perspective, while editing LA masks (and when exactly)?
• Which version of PL (9.3.2?), which graphics card and driver version were used?
• Anything relevant in PhotoLab.txt log?
• Can you share exact steps to try to reproduce on another image or share your raw and dop file?

Maybe GPU has hit some resource/power/temperature limit and became erratic???
But then why only on pressing the mouse button?
Looks more like a graphics card problem (hardware/cables/software) but who knows?

[LVS]

Yep; My guess is that the masks were selected then the image was straightened (rotated via Horizon tool ?).

Perspective changes should be made first, before masking.

[AKS]

Perspective changes should be made first, before masking.

That’s good to know, as I didn’t know it previously. Thanks.

[klasal (Klaus Salkola)]

To clarify:

The ghosts and low resolution prevail only as long as the mouse button is pressed for moving the sliders. After releasing the button, everything looks great again. This means I can not see the change until I stop adjusting.

Another nuisance is that the outcome file after using NIK, is way smaller than when rendering the same image from PL8. NIK output jpg quality is set to 100% in export settings and NIK preferences. Something again I have to learn.

If my original NEF and DOP files are of interest, I can send them as an attachment to this chain. Pls. indicate if needed.

[Wolfgang ([ Win11, PL9, FP7, VP5, Nik8 + 3.3 ])]

@klasal

If my original NEF and DOP files are of interest, I can send them as an attachment to this chain. Pls. indicate if needed

Yes, please!

I’ve been experimenting a bit, and the mask only shifts if I accidentally touch and move it, or if I apply perspective corrections afterward.

But so far, I haven’t observed what you’re describing:

The ghosts and low resolution prevail only as long as the mouse button is pressed for moving the sliders. …

[klasal (Klaus Salkola)]

But so far, I haven’t observed what you’re describing:

The ghosts and low resolution prevail only as long as the mouse button is pressed for moving the sliders. …

Screenshot 2 (with arrow) is taken while mouse bugtom is pressed down. When the buttom is Release, the image return to perfect as Screenshot 1.

The arrow shows that a control point has been placed on the banjo players face and the cursor is set on “Exposure” while adjusting is going on. As soon as the button is released we have a exellent image.

I will come back with the files tomorrow.

[mwsilvers (Mark - New Jersey, USA)]

@klasal

The ghosts and low resolution prevail only as long as the mouse button is pressed for moving the sliders. After releasing the button, everything looks great again. This means I can not see the change until I stop adjusting.

Do you have “Enable high quality preview “selected in the Display tab of Preferences? if not, select it.

[klasal (Klaus Salkola)]

DxO – Google Drive

Sample image should be found in this link.

[Wlodek]

On PL9.3.2/Win I couldn’t reproduce the ghosts appearing when mouse button is pressed (with the mouse pointer over the LA Exposure slider). Maybe actual sequence of events was important.

Note that Background AI Mask may change when Horizon, Perspective, or Distorion corrections are made after mask selection. For example the first man on the left, sitting behind, may get (wrongfully) selected as a part of background.

[Wolfgang ([ Win11, PL9, FP7, VP5, Nik8 + 3.3 ])]

@klasal

Sample image should be found in this link.

Hi Klaus,

I still don’t see your “kind of double exposure overlay.”

Out of curiosity, I went to experiment with the relatively new AI – and started from scratch. Well, twice, because to my surprise, PL initially ran without crashes … until later that same day. I must have made some conflicting settings, that I could not detect. So I deleted everything and started over.
see _KLS5062.NEF.dop (1,7 MB) → VC 1

In the meantime, I also updated to PL 9.4.0_437 and checked about the “Export to Nik Output Sharpener” option(s) …

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At first, I corrected some Perspective, cropped to 4 x 3, used SmartLighting / Spot weighted, Tone curve / Luminosity / Gamma and White balance

before I went with Local adjustments.

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reducing highlights

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AI mask (Subject) to cover the band
+positive Auto brush to add to the selection
( tried to improve the “capture” of the blurred foreground )

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duplicated AI mask (Subject) from Mask2
+negative Brush to subtract from the selection
( tried to improve the “capture” )
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some additional ‘sharpness’ for the front

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some softening to better separate the band from the background
reused + inverted AI mask (Subject) and Auto brush from Mask2
+Auto brush corrected

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Yes, it was a bit fiddly ( the window for the Local Adjustments is too short ),
but PL didn’t crash anymore.

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“Export to Nik Output Sharpener … ( JPEG / Fit 1080 x 1920 / sRGB / max. 2 MB )”

→ klasal.zip (7,2 MB)

• PL 9 Export as JPEG → Nik Output Sharpener / 99% → ca. 1,9 MB
  ( even more details after sharpening > PL 9 bicubic sharper )

• PL 9 Export as JPEG → Nik Output Sharpener / 100% → ca. 2,9 MB
  ( even more details after sharpening > PL 9 bicubic sharper )

• PL 9 Export → JPEG / bicubic → ca. 1,6 MB

• PL 9 Export → JPEG / bicubic sharper → ca. 1,8 MB
  ( more details after sharpening > PL 9 bicubic )

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Output Sharpening with Nik → Display mode (for screen)

→ Adjust the default settings to your liking while comparing !

Preferences → set JPEG output size in %

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