I’m not a Mac professional, but haven’t noticed any troubles yesterday, when I worked with AD and APhoto. If you have certain concerns, let me know and I can check this evening.
What clearly became worse with Ventura is some weird behaviour of Capture One on two screens I haven’t seen before, but Affinity apps appeared to work rather stable.
With PL refusing to support phones its really the best option as I am finding as well.
This is an odd comparison at best. When dealing with raw software the quality of the raw adjustment features and the demosaicing is everything. By comparison, a quality DAM feature is just a nice to have add-on. Comparing the pedestrian nature of Affinity Photo’s Develop module to PhotoLab Elite or to Capture 1, Lightroom, ON1 and others is quite valid. In its current state the Develop module is a disappointment. Perhaps the new version of Affinity Photo will remedy that.
I assume you’re not really equating a DAM with raw development quality. But in any event, Affinity’s mediocre Develop module has been around for quite a while with pitifully few changes to it. PhotoLab’s relatively new and ongoing DAM development effort was only started in earnest in PhotoLab 4 with the addition of keywords. Prior to that, PhotoLibrary was just more or less a very basic file manager with some rudimentary indexing and search features. While DXO still has a long way to go, they have also come a long way in the development of their DAM. PhotoLab 4 was released only two years ago!! By comparison iMatch and Photo Mechanic have been around for almost 25 years.
Mark
I don’t believe you ever tried the last version of the develop persona which in fact has some features DxO doesn’t. For much less money, ⅓ of PL elite without all the necessary extra (costing) licenses.
No further comment needed, I don’t need to wonder any longer why DxO’s so called DAM is such a lousy piece of code. With this kind of attitude there’s no escape out of the need for “workarounds”. 
But thank you for the impulse, I just started Affinity to find out a bit more, especially since the seamless interaction of develop- and photo persona is another thing DxO doesn’t bring on the table. Since I went there last time, they really put some nice features in.
I have a license for the current version of Affinity Photo and have used it for various purposes for several years. Affinity Photo is a great package at a great priceI but I stand by my comments about the Develop persona. It is the weak link in Affinity and is simply mediocre compared to the best raw development software available. I assume, or at least I hope, that the next version of Affinity Photo will include a major upgrade to the Develop persona.
I also stand by my comments about the importance of a DAM. It is, has always been, and will always be a secondary feature in comparison to image development and quality. If image development and quality is lacking the best DAM in the world will not salvage it.
And of course, PhotoLab does not have something similar to the Integration of the Develop and Photo personas which is Affinity’s attempt to emulate the integration of ACR and PhotoShop. Like PhotoShop, the Photo persona is a pixel editor only. Your observation would be similar to complaining that PhotoLab doesn’t seamlessly interface with Photoshop as well as Adobe Camera Raw does.
I have been using PhotoLab and Afffinity Photo together for years. No problems doing that. If you prefer using the current version of Develop, that is your choice. Many people with relatively minimal raw processing requirements are happily enjoying the current combination that Affinity Photo provides. If that meets your requirements better thsn using PhotoLab as a development front end, I’m happy you found software that works for you. However, some of us want many more basic and advanced raw development features than Develop is capable of providing.
Mark
Not to mention that it is not non-destructive .
That continues to be one of Develop’s weakest features. Unless something has changed since the last time I looked at the Develop persona several months back, once you leave Develop for the Photo persona you can’t go back to view, modify or add any Develop edits.
Develop does not save those edits in a database or sidecar file. Develop persona edits are all lost
once you move your image to the Photo persona. If you decide you want to change or add some setting you’ve made in the Develop persona you are out of luck and will have to start over from scratch. Of course, the number of raw features in Develop are pretty minimal compared to the best Raw software available so the need to go back may not be as important for many users, especially for those who are not dedicated raw shooters.
Mark
Exactly this. I absolutely love all of the Affinity products and use them often. I’ve even used them when PhotoLab wasn’t up to the job, such as spot-healing hundreds of dust specks (back in PL4 days I think, I haven’t tried again recently). I will probably buy whatever they announce tomorrow.
But… when it comes to demosaicing a RAW file to bring out the best possible image, it’s not a matter of what features they may have, but how good a job they do of converting a bayer matrix into a crisp, clean image. It’s not even close to PhotoLab. Others I will not judge as I have not made the comparison.
That was true. No longer with the new version 2.0 which is currently available at a lower price. Now (I was insecure if that was possible with version 1.10) you can go back, if you choose to link or embed the result of the development (instead generating a new pixel layer). Wow. It worked fantastic and the edits appear to be non-destructive if embedded pixel-layer is chosen (need to do that with the genuine RAW in the beginning.
Also true: a super DAM can’t rescue a crappy developer. But if the DAM shows my edits instead of the genuine RAWs, that already helps a lot - and no extra-workaround will do that.
I never meant to replace any of my “RAW developers” (be it Aperture, CaptureOne or PhotoLab) with the develop persona of Affinity Photo. I was just comparing the price of (so far) 10 versions of Affinity Photo V1 (60$ roughly) with the price of all PL (or C1) versions so far. And it appears to me the guys of Serif are now going crazy with functionalities and reliabilities.
Sure, the develop persona is not offering fully all bells and whistles of PL. But at this price I get layers, lens profiles, a better histogram (they call it bandwidth, I believe). And still no DAM 
but in this price range they left the competition in the dust. I’m stunned, didn’t expect so much.
Crazy Affinity guys, right? I just bought their suite V2, wow! So many cool improvements to an already well made app. 
I think also that the best developer for Raw is still DXO Pl. But with Affinity you will have a Raw developer for Smartphone dng’s, the new possibilty for the enbedded or linked Raw Layers, and the universal license for a smart price
" Introducing the Universal Licence
Experience the full power of Version 2 of Affinity apps with the Universal Licence. For just one discounted payment, you can get the ENTIRE Affinity suite (including Publisher for iPad!) on all your devices, across macOS, Windows and iPadOS.
It’s a streamlined way of working and buying that will not only save you time and money, but will also give you the freedom to create wherever you are, on any app or platform.
Plus, to celebrate this huge launch, we’re giving you an extra 40% off for a limited time."
Im just exploring all the features and for my work it’s a very good offer
stay tuned
Guenter
Absolutely. I will suggest my company to give up three Adobe subscriptions and get Affinity Suite. And I will research a bit for a new iPad Pro for me. The cool thing within Affinity is, I can work on a RAW and continue to use it for a graphic, including DWG import and also use the result for a book or another publication. What Adobe tried with Smart Objects, Serif appears to have beaten them again.
If you save the image with the protocol, it’s possible to undo single steps.
Now, if only there was a version of PL for iPad 
I don’t understand what this (highly unlikely) version of PL could have to do with Adobe’s creative suite or Affinity’s suite? I just don’t get the point of quoting me for your wish 
Yes, Affinity Photo is an incredible value regardless of any limitations in the Develop persona. I have been using it for a few years now. There is quite a learning curve to get everything out of it, but that’s because It has so much functionality. I’m looking forward to seeing the new features in the latest version.
Mark
Edit: I just checked, and it looks like Affinity Photo 2 was just released today.
And it still has some of the limits you were talking about, but it’s now sort of nondestructive and if I save the protocol/log with the file (plus use the "embedded / linked pixel layer) you can go back and forth between RAW development and very much improved and extended pixel editor. I can’t stay it else, I really love what Affinity/Serif is doing, from the beginning. And now the stepped up using the big boots…
Sorry, didn’t wish to cause confusion.
For many people, to be able to move fully away from Adobe would require an iPad equivalent of LR.
That is all I was trying to infer with my earlier comment
But I appreciate I may have misinterpreted your post too and got the wrong meaning from what you were trying to convey.
I haven’t purchased my copy yet, but it looks like some important changes have been implemented.
Mark
No problem, thank you very much for clarification. Well, Affinity and Capture One already have an iPad app. You won’t believe how tempted I am to order an iPad Pro just because of the Affinity apps (and Shapr3D, but that’s another story). Eventually I’d also try the Capture One version but until today I used to think "iPad? colour calibrated? touching over the precious images (I mean, if I had made some… 
)? But the whole Affinity suite on iPad? Hmmmm 
