Better User Interface

[Olivier]

Hi,

Totally agree. The first time I saw them, I thought the feature was disabled.

[Klick (Manfred (Nikon & M1 Mac, PL7 FP VP Nik))]

@platypus

Well, the difference is not the screen brightness… It’s how text is designed to appear…

I meant that although I work with 120 and Wolfgang only with 80, the ratio is drastic.

@platypus

As we can see, DPL3 uses brighter text than DPL4, Windows seems to use taller letters.
DPL4 (Mac) is designed to be near totally user-unfriendly.

You are of course right, there is a big difference between PL3 and PL4. Thanks for the comparison. I don’t understand why DxO changed that.

[Calle (Christian)]

@Klick

meant that although I work with 120 and Wolfgang only with 80, the ratio is drastic.

The point is that screen brightness has zero influence on how a screen shot is taken.

[Klick (Manfred (Nikon & M1 Mac, PL7 FP VP Nik))]

Thanks for clarification!

[Tilmann]

@platypus

Fully agree. Contrast is way too low. I also don’t see the necessity to grey out a tool, just because it is not active. Greying out something usually means that something is unavailable under given conditions.

The blue switch should do. Keep the text/background at around 200/50 and all is well.

It appears as if this issue is somehow related to:

Make palette labels more distinctive

One thing that has always bothered me is the appearance of the palette labels (Exposure Compensation, White Balance, Lens Sharpness, etc.). There is very little visual distinction between the labels of the palettes and the entries under them… they look nearly identical. When several palettes are open at once it can take some effort to scan up and down the screen to find the palette or palette entry you’re looking for, especially so in PL 4. The PhotoLab interface could be a bit more friendly if…

Perhaps just the wrong items are “greyed out”…: as mentioned in the other thread, the parameters and sliders of inactive tools should be pale (not their titles)…

I think that DxO needs to address this comprehensively.
(Question is how to treat the votes for these two requests.)

[HokaHey (Joe)]

How do you change the font size or color on the Customize interface?

The light grey font on the dark grey background does not have enough contrast when using a monitor that is calibrated darker for printing.

[Klick (Manfred (Nikon & M1 Mac, PL7 FP VP Nik))]

There is already a thread on this topic, please vore here:
https://forum.dxo.com/t/please-increase-the-readability-of-the-labels-on-deactivated-correction-tools-in-the-palettes/17177?u=klick

BTW: There is no possibility to change font, color or brightness.

[Guenterm (Win11, MAC OS, DPL 5, FP, VP, Nik4, Olympus)]

And we have also Better User Interface - DxO PhotoLab / Which feature do you need? - DxO Forums
And we can take the chance to point to Affinity photo where it’s possible to customize a little bit more

There are some more threads pointig that

Best regards

[HokaHey (Joe)]

Thanks for your responses. I have read through these topics and they are on point.

A bad interface hurts sales and this has been a reported issue since December of last year. There have been quite a few updates since then. I wonder why nobody has bothered to fix this.

I have had DPL4 for many months and hated to use it because of the readability. However, over the last few days I’ve dug deeper to find out what’s possible, and have found that DPL4 has a lot more to offer than just DeepPrime.

Since I haven’t been using DPL4 other than as a denoise program, I haven’t been using this forum. Is there a way to get more attention drawn to this issue?

Thanks again.

[mwsilvers (Mark - New Jersey, USA)]

@HokaHey

Since I haven’t been using DPL4 other than as a denoise program, I haven’t been using this forum. Is there a way to get more attention drawn to this issue?

I’m just curious what size monitor you are using. I find that contrast is more than adequate on my 28-in 4K monitor even if I lower the brightness a bit. While there have been some complaints about different aspects of the interface, I don’t recall contrast as being a major one.

Mark

[HokaHey (Joe)]

Based on the other threads, it appears to be an issue on the Mac software.

It’s a problem with the following monitors:
Benq 270C - M1 Mac Mini 2020
Benq SW 271 - M1 Mac Mini 2020
27" iMac 2012
15" MacBook Pro 2016

So, 2 external 27" monitors, a 27" and a 16" internal display.

It’s difficult to read and find sections that are not active. In the screen shot below, Smart lighting is visible, though not great, but ClearView is difficult to make out.

[Klick (Manfred (Nikon & M1 Mac, PL7 FP VP Nik))]

Totally agree!

[Guenterm (Win11, MAC OS, DPL 5, FP, VP, Nik4, Olympus)]

Dear @sgospodarenko Svetlana,

our heart and soul for all our worries , hardships and torment…is it possible to merge all the stuff about the user experience with the readability, and to point the guys from development team to this.

I wish you a great weekend

best regards

Guenter

[sgospodarenko (Svetlana G.)]

Good morning ,

Sure I will merge all of them in one and then ask a dedicated person to analyze the feedback.

Regards,
Svetlana G.

[sgospodarenko (Svetlana G.)]

Done!

@StevenL could you, please, analyze this feedback when you are back from vacation?

Thank you
Regards
Svetlana G.

[Guenterm (Win11, MAC OS, DPL 5, FP, VP, Nik4, Olympus)]

You are my of DXO

[sgospodarenko (Svetlana G.)]

Thank you

[HokaHey (Joe)]

Many thanks!

[KameraD (MacOS/13.7.2/iMac/Nikon/PL8 Elite/NC 7.0.3/FP7.8.1/VP4.18.0)]

In fact, never noticed this before, or did have a problem with it. But now pointed to it, totally agree.
Way better before.

[uncoy (Alec Kinnear)]

@be51

unused palettes are unreadable

Unused palettes don’t need to be read, they only need to be perceived. Regardless, I loathe low contrast design trends. Photolab’s demographic skews older so I’m not sure why DxO is burdening us with impossibly low contrast ratios. Perhaps DxO feel they have too many users over forty and would like to push the average user age down by driving us away.