Railway Yard at Carhaix

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Hi Joanna, this pic reached me in the middle of the night, can not sleep and was fascinated in a certain way. I appreciate your skills and work since years and now you asked and I can not hesitate to start the discussion. Hope my English would be sufficient. To add: I’m not talking DXO and what it can do to help us but purely photography

First things first: this capture is a masterpiece in terms of perspective, technically there’s nothing to discuss about. But to me there’s a BUT: let me start in a philosophic way: those railways lead to anywhere and this anywhere must be found in the background – whatever it Is – but this background is here by far underrepresented, far more meaningless than the foreground in terms of sharpness and contrast. And even the perspective would need a small correction: the top left railways end at about 25% of the picture hight which is a bit problematic in terms of ‘Goldener Schnitt’, In total I would have preferred to go half a step back and about 30cm deeper to bring the lower left grass more to the attention and to end the top left railway 1/3 to 2/5 of picture hight. The transition in sharpness and the overall contrast should be far more homogenous, this would help the entire composition. Just my 50 Cents :wink:

Okay, 2nd pic, a bit unlucky perspective, the middle of the doorway is the middle of the pic, I would have panned it a bit to the right and bottom to change proportion and get maybe a small step forward and I would have used a flash reduced to Œ or 1/2 to push the shadows a bit because the right door seems to be interesting
. You asked :wink:

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I think the ‘rule of thirds’ and its variants came by observation of certain types of paintings. If you must have a ‘Goldener Schnitt’ rule applied somewhere, it’s in defocus boundary, whatever that is :slight_smile: Otherwise it’s about ‘unknown’ ahead of us, a bit of melancholy, geometry and music. The overall harmony between various aspects is more important than ‘Goldener Schnitt’ in this case, imho.

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The ivy makes a story, so I like it this way. Of course, we all see different things, and you are both right


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Many folks, mostly in photo clubs look to composing according to “rules”.

But the first “rule” of composition is that there are no rules. There are compositions that some folks find more pleasing for certain subjects.

I rarely compose for “thirds” but I use leading lines a lot. Sometimes certain layouts simply “appear”, like this Fibonacci curve


A lot of the best composition tends to be by instinct and doesn’t need measuring.

Finally, have you heard the saying, rules are there to be broken?

I knew a reporter who had the rule: “Always have a pissing dog on your photo”. Sometimes he used this rule literally :wink:

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Yet another rule:
Create the rules after creating your photos.

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Folks, please not too much attention to this rule thing, it was just an example, the other aspects are at least as important to me. And don’t forget, this is not a beauty contest here, we’re just chatting. But I love to exchanging ideas with the best and Joanna asked so to say


My background and part of this motivation is: I’m coming from a time when it was essential to do things right at the first place, where e.g. perspective and (partial)exposure-corrections are to be made in the darkroom, when a roll of Kodakchrome25 cost 16DM and I got 4DM pocketmoney a week. And I had no lightmeter before I was 16. So I was dependent on and used to learn before I took any picture. And I loved it, later at 17 with the Leicas, Retinas and Contax’ of my dad

Today we have it far easier with DXO and I love it since 2009. But that doesn’t change my photographic genes. And by the way: I never was a member of a photoclub :wink:

Sure, and thanks for provoking the chat :slight_smile: . I’m not even BA, just a MINS (man in the street), exchanging “intelligent sounds” for fun. Absolutely no offense meant, to be explicit.

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Maybe AI has already discovered some of the rules our brains abide to? I often do cropping instinctively, probably having some meaning, colors, lighting in mind, the target being some kind of “balance”. So it could be quite easy for AI to discover these “rules”, perhaps leaving the problems with emotions and context aside :slight_smile: The problem is, there’s often no single “best” outcome and too many people to judge.