Stenis
(Sten-à ke Sändh (Sony, Win 11, PL 6, CO 16, PM Plus 6, XnView))
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Generally it seems like Mac-users seems to have less problems than the Windows-users.
We have soon had people posting here for week about performance issues without paying any attention at all to the many threads where this has been discussed extensively already. Doing so will only stirr up unnecessary confusion and waste a lot of time for us all. If you are a Mac-user you might just skit what is Windows-specific.
I agree with every word Mark has written above. Install the latest Photolab available (today version 9.0.2) and for Windows users: on top of that downgrade to the Nvidia-driver for your card DXO has recommended (573.24) and if that is not available for your card you can try 572.84 instead that Mark and I for sure know is stable after a lot of testing. We both use 572.84 in production now.
If you do that you will not have any performance issues as long as you don´t use the premade AI-masking preset in the drop down list of the AI-manues.
For every user: Best Practice now is to use the freehand-hoovering-click select method. As the link below will show tests on my system with 16GB RAW and Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8GB works very well and with the recommended AI-method it will be about 5 times faster to export pictures with alot of AI-masks and editing using Deep Prime 3. It will also make your craches invoked by bugs or the overloadeing of your systems system resources.
Tody I have edited a lot of old safari pictures and I am very happy to say that my AI-masking workflows works fantastically well and effective now using the hoovering-select-method. It is really far over my expectations and pretty hard to believe the difference between those methods are so significant. I suggest you too try to reconfigure and start using the hoovering-method instead og the premade AI-masking presets and take it from there.
Our experiences are from Windows but there is no difference in the fact that using the premade AI-masking presets will increase the workload maybe five times even on a Mac.
Hi Mark,
You;ve actually confirmed what Iâve found when you stated, â [quote=âmwsilvers, post:20, topic:51431â]
every change I make to every feature is immediate or close to immediate with an occasional lag of 1 to 3 seconds
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Itâs this lag we are experiencing that simply does not exist in Lightroom on the same machine with the same apps open. Furthermore, when AI masks are used, the lag becomes much more frequent, again, something I never run into when using Lightroom, even with multiple AI masks.
All Iâm saying is that we users are experiencing performance issues that DxO need to address.
Letâs see, first, PL8 runs flawlessly on older and newer PCs and operating systems. But, older PCs and operating systems run PL9 better than newer PCs and operating systems. Newer PCs with recommended NVIDIA graphics cards and up-to-date drivers experience PL9 internal errors, crashes, and/or operating system reboots. Iâm sorry, but these are not âperformance issues.â When an application works, but not optimally, thatâs a performance issue. To describe real problems that way obfuscates things, and workarounds, however clever, will not fix them.
Most of the time there is a lag of less than two seconds. The other PP software I own doesnât do any better than that. I think it is a non issue. But, if it so important to you that it is a deal breaker, by all means use Lightroom if that is what your prefer.
PL 9 was just released with some performance issues. Virtually all post processing programs with annual releases face initial issues right after release, especially when they contain a number of major new features like PhotoLab 9. It is normal.
Many experienced users, and those with a software development background, understand this and are patient and willing to employ workarounds while waiting for the issues to be resolved.
Many other users expect perfection with no performance issues on the day of release on every computer and with every possible configuration of hardware and software. It is an totally unrealistic expectation to believe that a major software release wonât have issues, but I am not going to try to convince you otherwise.
The level of âacceptanceâ and condescension in defence of clear performance issues is unbelievable. Some of us have lived through all the teething of software development over the years and decades, so we know of what we speak. Like you, I hope further releases of PL9 will fix the issues. But, a 1 to 3 or 4 second lag with every change of a slider using denoise and AI masking just like another app, in this case, even Lightroom, should not be accepted. users have paid good money for this software.
I never said that that there is a 1-4 second delay with every change of a slider. The 1 to 3 second refresh delays I was referring to was when changing to a different image on the image browser or zooming from say 50% to 400% on an image. The response time when adjusting sliders is much less than 1 second except for a couple of new features which sometimes take a bit longer than that because they still require additional optimization. I believe I specifically mentioned the Local Lens Sharpness Optimization slider and the AI Mask preset menu as the main issues. It sounds like you are having a serious performance problem that I am not seeing.
Iâve just bought PL9, Have PL7 but hardly ever used it,
my current workflow has been PURERAW 4 Then 5, export to Photoshop 2019 and Raw edit using Camera Raw (like LR) and occasional Nik 7 to pop some colours or mask adjustments.
On a Whim I trialed PL9, did a few adjustment tests using the new Ai masking, the performance wasnât great, but workable, like an idiot I never checked min specsâŚâŚ
too my dismay you need a modern computerâŚ
anyhow paid the big bucks in $ (our exchange rate is 18 to 1$)
at some point iâm going to buy a new setup.
my current setup is W11, Core i7 4th gen, 16GB Ram, GTX1650 4GB
HOWEVER I do have a very fast SSD as my OS drive, this is why i can actually edit on PL9, my 2nd drive is a Mech drive and where all my photos are stored, so exporting does slow down for obvious reasons (fast ssd to mech drive)
performance is okish being the slowest editor I have installed.
I own a lot of photo editors,
ON1, Affinity, Luminar, Topaz Photo Ai, Darktable, PL7.
Quite honestly I cannot fathom why majority of people reporting issues here on seriously faster systems than mine are battling.
I can do a full blown edit on my bird photos and sure there are a few lags which I expected seeing its Ai masking, I mainly use PL9 Ai to further blur backgrounds, as this feature doesnât exist in my old version of camera Raw.
UI performance is really disappointing. As somebody mentioned before, I also tested Capture One. Using its interface is like a breeze. Everything is fast and smooth.
Here is like:
-PL9 startup between 25 and 60 secs (???)
bringing on References window means: 5 secs for Edit menu, another 5-8 secs for preferences window (???)
changing from Customize to PhotoLibrary - a couple of seconds (???)
changing from Light to Color/Detail/Geometry etc. - 2-3 secs (too much)
time to load new NEF in Customize mode - 2-4 secs (???)
Overall feeling: LAGGY, SLOW,
From my point of view it is unacceptable.
My machine: I9-185, 32GB, SSD EVO Pro 990 4TB, RTX4070, Win11 â it should run properly on that setup.
I use DXO from its beginning many years ago. Only at version 9 I feel that comfort of using that SW is seriously compromised.
I can understand your frustration.
Although Iâm on a Mac, itâs a Mac Book Pro M1 16GB/1TB from 2020 and at the bottom of DxOâs recommendations.
PL9 Startup is 5-6 seconds
All other actions are as close to instant as it can be.
AI-mask Sky on a 24Mpx NEF takes 20-22 seconds and a couple of more to apply it.
Yeah, considering also to switch for a MacâŚ
But if Capture One can do it, DXO might also give some effort in usability direction also for Win users. Itâs stupid to pay another 3000 ⏠only to compensate for what I think DXO team should do for their users at the first place.
Itâs been a while since I had a working copy but that was my experience as well. No (or little) lag when editing.
Iâm not even using especially large RAW files here - my camera has 20mp which is great and all - point is itâs not a 45mp+ beast.
I honestly wonder what Photolab is set up to do that Lightroom and Capture One are doing differently. Is it loading, displaying, and working on the actual RAW files rather than an optimised preview?
(Iâve got High Quality Preview and DeepPRIME Rendering disabled in the Preferences - Display tab too!)
Stenis
(Sten-à ke Sändh (Sony, Win 11, PL 6, CO 16, PM Plus 6, XnView))
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Absolutely spot on! I guess everybody that has worked in software development more than once have asked themselves why they need to put up with a level of demands that never ever will sink below 100% +. YES, NOT 100% - ALWAYS MORE! Because nobody seems to be satisfied with software, because it always ought to be better than it is - right.
Ask yourself which other professions that have to meet the same kind of demands. Looking back on my professional life I think I should have better chosen to be a politician instead. It would have been fine to just put down the trouble shooting and trow out a suitable lie instead or blame someone else or maybe the unusually cold winter or the terrible Nordic winter darkness instead. The last one has a great potential - not much to see in that darkness.
Expecting a customer that has bought PL9, and has a computer that is good enough, to be happy when the software does not perform as adverticed since not everybody has problems is RIDICULOUS!
