It seems only two of my links are allowed.
Let me just add that there is some serious financial incentive affecting business here. It’s not just about bloat, distaste over ads or privacy fears. The Windows TPM requirement is forcing companies to ditch and update the hardware their employees use.
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There is a move to Linux with servers and to thin clients as Desktops.
Financial Corps. like such a setting because it makes security easier to manage.
Let’s think the unthinkabe: PhotoLab as a web based app. Needs regular funding for hardware and network costs ← subscription.
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Very interesting, thanks!
My company (several thousand employees) upgrades the hardware often enough that our late switch (at the last moment) to Win 11 came with no additional hardware requirements as far as I was aware. I think we generally lease laptops and keep them 3-5 years.
The thing with switching to Linux is that it means the ONLY thing you don’t have to change is the hardware. Any company needs to be resourced, and committed, enough to attempt changing their entire software stack from OS up.
Our company does allow Macs, but only if you largely support yourself.
Yes, I but get that that changing the software may be no small matter. It depends. There are Linux distros that look a lot like Windows 10 and no more of a disturbance than moving from windows 10 to 11. I’m coming across reports of companies making the switch and running apps like Libre Office and WinBoat for ones that don’t ordinarily work on Linux.
I’m going to try PL on the latter. PL and CorelDraw are the only apps holding me back making the switch.
Not, its not.
The ‘paying user base’ means in my points → How many user willing to pay (from their personal credit card) in real world for Linux ‘ported’ software.
The thread about DxO PL in Linux. (where is the PhotoLab for Linux?) → so, in our case this software is DxO PhotoLab.
And don’t count promises (“i want PL in Linux”) in this forum → only count who really pay in the end of the day. How many user can be? Maybe 10? Maybe 20? Or in percentage may <1% ? How many of this users change later to Mac or Windows? And so on.
Even banks and large corporations are leaving for Linux
I think its more-or-less irrelevant in this thread (and may some cases they goes back to Windows, etc.). I think this forum is not about Win vs Mac vs Linux whatever distribution, and not about what applications some corporation use - its just about PhotoLab.
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If the users are small in number and there is no enterprise software to worry about, maybe. In recent years a lot of my company’s “administrative” systems have moved to browser-based, but those have been huge projects done in their own right over many years. Then there are those back-end systems that have a client that only runs on Windows.
Any company that sells more than a simple catalogue of products or services likely has some back end stuff they would have to deal with.
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The relevance is that the mass of the move becomes a gravitational pull towards making apps like PL and the Adobe suite available on Linux. Investment is now moving with the crowd. And it’s not just the pull, it’s the repulsion. I’m sick of Windows for many reasons not least of which is that PL has become noticeably slower with Win11. The swing to Linux is not like the Second Coming, it’s history repeating itself. Currently we have all sorts of attempts to solve compatibility. I’m going to try WinBoat and report back here.
So, how come Adobe still don’t consider it worth their while creating a Linux version of any of their products?
Well, you know the answer. Move to a decent OS like, oh, I don’t know, let’s say, macOS? Solid, secure, runs fast on a Mac mini with the new M4 chips.
And, before you scream about cost, don’t forget about the massive list of free apps and utilities that come with each and every computer.
But, if you insist on going down the rabbit hole that is Linux, it’s really quite simple - forego all the high quality tools in PhotoLab and move to DarkTable. Not forgetting that you get what you pay for.
But, please, please, please stop screaming at the good folks in this user forum, where DxO are rarely, if ever seen and write directly to DxO.
Nobody in these fora has any influence over what DxO do or don’t do and, as you can see from the age of threads on this subject (over 7 years), you are unlikely to change their minds. But, if you insist on continuing to pester on this subject, please don’t do it here.
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When did you last use Linux in any serious way, or have you at all?
I’ve been using it since the mid 90’s, and nowadays it is no more difficult to use than Mac/Windows. Anyone who can’t install a major distribution like Ubuntu (which is still very many non-technical users) will have equal difficulty maintaining a Mac/Windows machine, which I see regularly with the people I help whenever they encounter an insurmountable problem like not being able to print a document.
Of course, you don’t have access to the same software as on Mac/Windows, but there’s plenty of excellent software, darktable included, regardless of your own preferences.
With all the issues I’ve experienced with PhotoLab since PL1, I wouldn’t say I’ve gotten what I thought I paid for. I’ve gotten half-baked features that are never finished, bugs that linger for years, and random changes that break existing edits. For me, it’s been enough for me to finally drop PhotoLab.
Hard to say about the “mass”. And especially hard to say the “mass” in Photographers.
But lot of peoples not. And even some shift to Linux, may get sick with Linux also (and may goes back to Win)
What is the science behind it? How noticeable, under what test, may hardware itself slow for Win11 requirements, etc. Hard to say anything about that.
Anyhow, i’m happy you write for my “point 1.” - as may my other points is more than enough to show the issues about Linux port. I not see to much point to goes farther in this topic.
Get a Mac. Works great. Same UNIX core as Linux but with proper commercial support. As for a Linux version, it will never happen.
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That statement is wrong wrong IMHO. Macs are far easier to maintain than Windows/Linux/UNIX. Period.
The reason my 93 year old mother can get email, save photos into Apple Photos (which for some reason she calls “Photo Photos”) and can post on Facebook with ONE HUNDRED PERCENT UPTIME is because I set her up with a Mac mini at age 90 (she had never used a computer). The hardest part for her was learning how to use a mouse, even though I set her Magic Mouse to be single button. She lives four hours away. I’ve only had to remote login twice in three years to correct an issue (which is always operator error or her internet provider). Her problems are usually always with the crappy internet her senior housing provides. She’s happy and I’m happy.
Your comment sir reminded me of a guy I worked with in the early 2000s. He was Loss Prevention officer for a CompUSA, and a Linux fan. Yes, he had a neckbeard. Yes, he was adamant that ALL SOFTWARE SHOULD BE FREE and that he was never, ever going to buy anything but hardware.
He used to periodically crawl out of his office onto the sales floor, and loudly proclaim to me (who he had distain for because I ran the Apple Shop in that store) that any customer in the store that couldn’t install a Linux distro shouldn’t be allowed to purchase any computer. He was serious in his pomposity.
Overhearing this (he would almost shout it at me) customers would look at him like he had three heads. It was starkly obvious why he was in Loss Prevention and not Sales lol. Showing him how easy it was to reboot an early 2000s Mac into single user UNIX mode did not assuage his stated hatred for the Mac and all things Apple (this was pre-iPod).
Anyway, he was eventually arrested for felony fraud and perp-walked out of the store in silver bracelets - he was harvesting Microsoft Office customer rebates and selling them on Ebay. Turns out unbeknownst to me behind the scenes he was also telling store management that YOURS TRUELY was stealing from the store. Management ignore him because they trusted me, and they never mentioned it to me until after Mr. Linux left for a night in the Grey Bar Hotel.
Unfortunately for those on team Linux he colored my opinion of that world ever since. He told me he didn’t hate me personally but he hated hated hated Apple and their “walled garden” and especially despised that ‘LSD-munching vegetarian Buddhist Steve Jobs”. True story.
I’m not going redebate the PC/Mac war, that ship has sailed for me. I enjoy my M4 Mac mini because I sit down whenever I want, hit a key, the Mac wakes up then automatically enters my passcode via my Apple Watch and BOOM I’m editing, day after day, week after week, month after month, no issues , no juggling graphics cards and drivers, no viruses or spyware, just editing, which is my happy space.
I always look at personal equipment maintenance from the viewpoint of what my hourly rate would be for that service. You couldn’t pay me enough to deal with Windows/Linux. If I find myself jonesing for some command line action I just fire up Terminal.app and geek away.
Spend your time wisely - it’s the only money you got
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Sorry to break your bubble, but I use all three of Linux, Mac, and Windows, and I’m not rabidly for or against any. They all have pluses and minuses, but clearly your experience has convinced you that there is only one true path.
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No, no, no, do NOT until the Code ist open to everybody. Currently MAC ist NOT open source.
For most users being open sources only spell troubles. There is no advantage to it. Only downside.
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I get your point (and generally agree with it) but they only just started developing for iPad. It launched 15 years ago.
Not only fast but efficiently. I have a ThinkPad sitting on the desk next to my MacBook Pro and I can’t put certain things down next to the ThinkPad because they don’t like the heat that is blasting out the side. It’s just running Win11 and even when it’s screen off and not being used, the fan is blasting warm air. My MacBook Pro only gets slightly warm when it’s doing a ton of IO and the only time I hear the fan is with video transcoding.
Actually, the BSD-based kernel, Darwin, is open source.
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Yes, I might have been a consultant software engineer for around thirty years. Yes, I have played with Linux, hated it and dropped it like the proverbial hot potato. Why? Because nothing I wanted to do with a computer or, more importantly, get paid to do with a computer could be done using Linux.
Pish, tosh and kerflubel!!!
I have told this story before. I had a client who ran a small business with several Windows machines. Then, one day, the motherboards in two of them failed, almost simultaneously. Even before that, I used to have to charge him a day’s work every couple of weeks to “fix things up”. As a result of the failures, he decided to move, reluctantly to start with, to Macs.
After a few weeks of “mutter, mutter, it’s not the same” all of a sudden, he realized he didn’t need to call on me anymore because, as Apple’s ads say, “it just works”. And I lost a nice regular source of income.
Sheesh! what a heap of junk that is. Worth every penny you don’t pay for it.
And, as for all the rest of the “open source” junk that is available, that is not compatible with Windows or Mac…
Oh dear, what a shame. One has to ask why are you still here then?
And, to expand on that… https://thenewstack.io/apples-open-source-roots-the-bsd-heritage-behind-macos-and-ios/
No, macOS is not open source. It is based on the open-source Darwin kernel (including XNU, Mach, and FreeBSD components), but the graphical user interface (Aqua), frameworks like Cocoa, and many other proprietary parts are closed source.
Core ComponentsDarwin, macOS’s foundation, is released under the Apple Public Source License and includes open-source elements from BSD and Apple’s contributions.
Apple open-sources specific projects like WebKit and Swift, but the full operating system remains proprietary.
Linux is 100% open source.
However, this discussion would stop immediately if WINE could handle DxO PL
Which other “open source junk” are you referring to?
I realize that you equate you not liking something with absolute truth, but the situation isn’t as dire as you think outside of your Mac/PhotoLab bubble, believe it or not.
Because I’ve been here since PL1 and still think PhotoLab is a nice editor if you can live with the faults that have caused me to decide to try something else as long as DxO continues to do nothing about them. I’m sure I’ll continue to look in now and again to see if there’s any change.
After the last month with darktable, I’d say DxO will have to do very much to convince me to come back, but never say never.