DXO Sizing for print

Yes, it seems like Canons colors has not been av resilient as Epson and HP ink in Wilhem Imaging Research tests. Maybe that has improved with the new ink for the 1100 printers.

Tasteful and lovely Joanna!

Less is more!

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Don’t understand this.

George

If you start printing and are considering, for example, whether you should work in a color space wider than sRGB (assuming you are using a calibrated and well-tuned monitor that can display what you are looking for), it is better to stick with your printer manufacturer’s paper for now !
This way you have the appropriate paper profiles (as well as media settings) at hand and don’t introduce unknown variables (wasting time and money).

Then, use proven test images instead of (in addition to) your own images.
You can get some for example from here.

I recommend to print this one → download


as it contains a range of subjects (read the explanations).
That file comes in AdobeRGB color space.

Further down on that site → download 



a different test image in ProPhoto color space,
which can help you to discern the influence of color space
with some colors really out of gamut.

And further down → download 



color images in the ProPhoto color space,
yet realistic motifs & highly saturated colors.

Have fun & explore the possibilites with your printer (first).

On your comment to Alec’s highly relevant suggestion above to test every new paper both with SQ and HQ to check if HQ is overkill and a waste.:

Usually the paper manufacturers also provide us with ICC-profiles that often are better than the printer manufaccturers do. The reason for that is that they are specialists on paper - which the printermanufacturers not necessarily are.

Don’t you think Joanna and Alec has passed the stage of sticking with Canon’s paper a longvtime ago? Who were you writing to ?

Even I used to print on Canson but in my case Infinity Rthing Rag for my matte prints - not any more. Of a pure coincidence I bought a no name paper packed for my shop par preference Scandinavian Photo and found that euther myself or noone else I have done blind tests with managed to single out which was printed on the Scandinavian or the Canson paper. The only way is to test it really closely and feel them with your fingers. On 1 to 1,5 meters not a chance.

The price diffrence? The Canson paper in A2 costed me around 10 dollars a sheet or 100 SEK and the Scandinavian paper costed me 1,25. I print both with the Canson ICC for Etcing Rag.

There are many reasons there for not limit yourself to the manufacturers alternatives. Personally I get prints for a fraktion of the cost of Canson’s that in print isn’t second even to the original in the eyes of so many I have tested them on.

There is a lot to gain if you are open to it. When I read what you wrote to Alec and us here my feeling was that you are not.

Stenis, you completely misunderstood/misinterpreted that.

My advice was to stick with Canon papers for now rather than juggle around with “third party” paper because of the familiar Canon paper profiles. And I didn’t even mention standard vs. high quality, which I was able to report on with my Epson P800
 but that’s uninteresting.

I’ll let you know in 20 years time. That’s if I survive that long. I’m 86.

:slight_smile: The ones who lives will see!

For B&W prints that really matter, we use a lab that uses a Lambda printer for absolutely stunning silver gelatine prints - no ink involved :grinning:

You tell me/us. Alec for me doesn®t seem like anyone “starting” to print needing tips for beginners. Still, it was Alec you used as an example.

Enligt de siffror jag fÄtt via copilot sÄ ger Canon Pro 1000 2400x480 dpi och 1100 2400x1200.

Epson P900 ger 5760x1440 vilket Àr lite mer Àn dubbelt pÄ lÀngsta sidan och om man betÀnker det sÄ Àr det vÀl inte sÀrskilt konstigt om en del P900-anvÀndare tycker 2880 dpi Àr helt Ok och 5760 onödig overkill. LikvÀl verkar det faktiskt vara sÄ det ser ut i en jÀmförelse.


 men med det sagt sĂ„ har jag aldrig ens funderat sjĂ€lv pĂ„ att ekonomisera med utskriftskvaliteten för att spara blĂ€ck. Att dĂ€remot printa pĂ„ Scandinavian Matte Pro istĂ€llet för Canson Infiniti Etching Rag var inget svĂ„rt val för mig. Jag vĂ€ljer det jag printar med viss omsorg och med den produktion jag har sĂ„ blir blĂ€ckkostnaden ingen som helst begrĂ€nsande faktor.

I don’t know where copilot got those numbers from but the correct figures are 2400 x 1200 dpi

I do! The clue is in the name, Copilot is a type of Artificial Intelligence :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

@Stenis

Sorry, I did not use Alex “as an example”, but adressed my post at him (that’s a difference) and didn’t post to you or Joanna.

Yes, it’s a public thread and you can say what you want. But there is no need to jump in and make up stuff. In other words: let Alec talk for himself, please!

Hi Alec. I have recently discovered that Canon uses am1x media configuration files.

So, if like me, you are using the nearest equivalent Canon paper type, this could mean that the ink density is greater for the Canon paper than you need for the Canson Baryta Photographique II paper.

If you go to the Canson site, you will find that the downloads page for ICC profiles also contains am1x media configuration files, which you can download and install using the Canon Media Configuration Tool.

Now, I have been “getting by” with the generic Canon Baryta Photo paper and haven’t had any problems with “puddling”. Both the Canon and the Canson baryta papers use the medium-high ink usage setting. So, if you haven’t downloaded and installed the Canson am1x file on your printer, it could be worthwhile checking that for the paper type you are choosing. If you are using the Canon baryta type, perhaps create a copy and change the ink usage?


Having forgotten to order a waste ink cartridge, I am now waiting for a new one to arrive before I can continue testing. Frustrating as I really want to try to create paper types for Fotospeed papers, as that has been notoriously difficult to get right without the configuration file.


Here is link to an exhaustive, useful tutorial on how to work with these files


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Thanks for that Joanna. Wish I had known about that earlier. It took me awhile to find it all out.

Tell me about it. All that time not getting things quite right