they already did and so did Adobe … the right decision is for the open source community to get their act together and make a competing app
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I’d suggest it’s more “build the win version so it can run on Linux”. Not a separate from-the-ground-up version. Just find and use libraries that work with the hooks in WINE (or some other win-on-lin solution). Very far from a full build.
I charged that windmill with v8; it’s hard to get GPU passthrough (and so good performance) there. Linux does have a way to dedicate one GPU to a virtual machine, so long as you have two GPUs (or one built in to your processor - pretty sure Hyper-V has similar) and indeed that works fine (JPEG output speed close enough to not matter) so encapsulation in a container might be the solution (there are containers for holding windows apps, but it didn’t look as though I could dedicate a GPU to one).
Technical approaches aside, DxO is in France, and France seems to be leading the ‘digital sovereignty’ movement in the EU so eventually making a version that can be made to run on Linux might be more of a ‘safety’ move than anything else.
Also, it might be more straightforward to get the Mac version running on Linux. I’ve been focusing on the Win version because that’s my background, but in spite of Mac being unix, and linux having similar systems calls there’s Cocoa - and I don’t know of any Linux emulators for that. Out of my depth with Apple, really…
Just thinking this through…
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BSD, not linux or unix ( but officially UNIX certified ) ………..
I’ve been trolling this thread but it appears to be going nowhere constructive. However, on a related topic, why is Mac OS so terrible? You complain without examples. Is it the product or Apple itself?
Oh, and what about DarkTable and some other already-on-Linux apps? Terrible, too? Yes, maybe. Not in the same league as Lightroom or DxO PL9, but still…
Answers to your questions are here
An interesting point Andras. The Linux community has more or less solved this issue with Flatpak packaging which works across major distros.
Anyone working with large media software packages is aware that they have to be careful which distribution family they should run. Fedora (Red Hat) and Debian (Mint, Ubuntu) families are the two closely-related families on which multimedia work has consolidated.
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…they will also change habits and save the climate just in time…and oh, pigs can fly.
To all:
I’d really be surprised to see PL on Penguin, but maybe DxO will turn an old version into open source? Again, I’d be surprised to see DxO lay open their unique selling proposal(s).
Who said anything about open source? PhotoLab would go out as a binary to users who are happy to pay for software. There’s lots of us now on Linux.
DxO will be late to the party as usual. Hence, they’ll have to pay top dollar for their press coverage and play catch-up as they do now. Great software, not so great marketing/strategy.
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Which of PhotoLab’s actual commercial competitors are making DxO late to the Linux party? I would really like to know. Dark Table, Raw Therapee, and Gimp, are not really their primary competitors.
Mark
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DaVinci Resolve has already arrived with its photo module, which means a top tier commercial RAW developer has already arrived. DxO has lost some its first mover advantage. Linux Desktop is at about 10% already.
To be honest, Mark you should probably not reply with your out of date conventional conservative “Windows-is-the-standard” rhetoric any more. You say the same thing over and over again. I don’t know why Windows is so personally important to you, Bill Gates did a lot of bad things to software companies and to individual privacy when he ran Microsoft. There’s no reason for anyone who is not Microsoft’s direct employee or who is not working for the US security agencies to defend Microsoft.
Let’s face it, you have an unhealthy phobia of Linux and philia for Windows. With time, your ideas have become entrenched and deeply conservative. These traits collectively disqualify you from giving useful marketing advice.
BTW, Mark, to give you an idea of how someone can be flexible in their ideas when a situation changes, I completely agreed with your position about Linux in 2018.
Things change and new opportunities become available. Outside of market share, Linux infrastructure has improved for multimedia applications, the frameworks which PhotoLab uses have become more powerful and portable, and AI tools make porting and maintaining ports slightly easier (quality work in half the time; all the talk of AI speeding up coding by 5x or 10x ignores that most time in serious software development is spent on testing and quality control, which AI cannot eliminate).
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Alec,
We can continue to go back and forth on this forever. I, for one, am getting tired of this discussion and will probably stop participating in it. You and other Linux supporters are certainly free to continue pressuring and cajoling DxO to do something. However, I can read, have good analytical skills, and have been watching how DxO conducts its business for many years. In the long term, who can say with any certainty what DxO will do,. However, it is clear to me that the odds of this happening in the short or middle term are highly unlikely, verging towards zero.
I have no personal feelings for or against Linux, despite your continued suggestions that I do. For me, an operating system is just a means to an end. I continue to use Windows because after over 30 years I am very comfortable using it, it runs all my preferred software, and I get the results I want. It is as simple as that. I have no political agenda and I am not going to apologize for using Windows just because you think I should.
Mark
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You and other Linux supporters
I’m not particularly a Linux supporter. At this point, Linux is the only OS which is relatively telemetry free. macOS and Windows are effectively spyware, the licenses gradually have taken our rights as buyers of the software away. People who believe in privacy and personal property rights have no other choice.
For those who are closer to the end of life than its beginning and have decades invested in skills on a particular platform, it’s hard, nigh impossible. Many may keep our primary platform either macOS or Windows as we can’t entirely make the adjustment, rebuild longstanding complex workflows, give up decades of muscle memory. But to sell the next generation into digital peonage would be to betray both them cultural ideals which date back to the Enlightenment.
I would like the next generation to have access to PhotoLab. My argument is that DxO should make the leap to Linux sooner, rather than later, as the PR value is to be first and not last.
I…have good analytical skills, and have been watching how DxO conducts its business for many years. In the long term, who can say with any certainty what DxO will do.
Your ability to read the tea leaves of DxO behaviour is formidable. DxO has been putting spokes in its own wheels for decades (otherwise why would the best RAW developer be a distant third in market share: PhotoLab’s lead was arguably greater 15 years ago when camera sensors were noisier and the only natural looking noise reduction out there was DxO Prime).
To say DxO will probably do the wrong thing is mostly true. We are not arguing for what DxO will or will not do, we are arguing for what DxO should do if their goal were to gain mindshare and increase market share.
The gains from Linux PhotoLab should not only be calculated from the immediate financial returns, it would be many years of additional free publicity and much greater mind share.
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Too late. Da Vinci Resolve 21 got there a few months ago. The price is amazing too, it’s free. In that context just how are DxO supposed to thrive in the Linux ecosystem?
In that context just how are DxO supposed to thrive in the Linux ecosystem?
Defeatism rears its ugly head again. DaVinci Resolve does not have the same workflow for photo work that PhotoLab enjoys. There’s still opportunity for first-mover and free publicity.
What will probably happen: DxO will hem and haw about Linux for another three or four years. When their major competitors are there and Linux desktop share is 20 or 25%, DxO will very reluctantly create a Linux version in five years. DxO will continue to waste the extremely high renewal prices for existing customers on expensive advertising.
That’s the realist position.
Are you happy mwsilvers? Are you satisfied stuck?
I respectfully disagree. I have used DR extensively for photo editing over the last few months and I can report that it is just as capable as PL. It has a proper DAM and in the paid version is more than a matche for PL for noise reduction and sharpening using AI and has a huge number of effects and film simulations available. Colour grading is second to none.
The only feature that PL trumps DR is lens correction based on camera/lens profiles. DR does have distortion correction.
For the same price as PL, VP and FP you get the full DR which includes effects, sound editing, photo editing, AI and video editing for a once-off cost (so far no update fees for new versions).
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What are you doing for quick repair and clone work? I know there is advanced rotoscoping in DaVinci Resolve but for simple cloning and cleanup what is there?
Ok, forgot about the clone tool for which there is no real equivalent that I can recall. There is AI object removal though.
Remember this is V1 of the Photo tools so I would bet the clone function will not be far away.